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Post subject: Re: ideal marshall amp for fender strat?
Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:09 pm
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hey its a free forum, post your thoughts.

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Post subject: Re: ideal marshall amp for fender strat?
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:43 am
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I just despise that cascaded gain sound. You get it on almost every master volume amp. Modern high gain channel switchers are the worst of the bunch. I just stay on the clean channel and up the volume to get the drive out of em. The DSL does that spectacularly. Never tried it on the TSL.

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Post subject: Re: ideal marshall amp for fender strat?
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:59 am
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before spending on a Marshall try out Traynor's Custom Special 50 or CS 90 great tube amps for a bit less than a Marshall

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Post subject: Re: ideal marshall amp for fender strat?
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:29 pm
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I doubt I'll ever buy a Marshall amp again. My first one died within the first month of ownership. Exchanged for a new one. That one lasted just a couple of years of light playing before the clear channel self destructed.

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Post subject: Re: ideal marshall amp for fender strat?
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:45 pm
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Ok Gar, if thats the case, why are Marshall the worlds best selling amp?

I wonder why they have the reputation of being the most reliable amp?
What model was your's?

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Post subject: Re: ideal marshall amp for fender strat?
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:47 pm
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nikininja wrote:
Ok Gar, if thats the case, why are Marshall the worlds best selling amp?

I wonder why they have the reputation of being the most reliable amp?
What model was your's?


A lot of the Marshall popularity comes from people seeing the amps onstage and wanting to sound like their favorite artists. It's the same with a lot of guitar equipment: what sells at a given point in time relates to what the pros are using.

I don't know how you've determined the reliablity metric -- I've never heard anything about them being "the most reliable amp".

I burned up two Valvestate 100 combo amps with very light usage. Contrast that with my original Crate practice amp from 1993 that's still doing alrightand the Fender Hot Rod Deluxe that I owned from 2002 to 2011 that spent a couple of years in a storage unit in the SC lowcountry without any sort of climate control. I had some intstruments in the same storage unit that were essentially ruined, and the HRD played as good as the day I bought it.


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Post subject: isnt the jcm800 2203 not 2204?
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:02 pm
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i dont really understand the codes and all that so forgive me for being a rookie. but on marshall site, it says 'jcm800 2203' not '2204'

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Post subject: Re: ideal marshall amp for fender strat?
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:08 pm
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i have heard goog things about marshall what's wrong?


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Post subject: Re: ideal marshall amp for fender strat?
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:01 pm
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So you compare a entry level amp (what Marshall first introduced the Valvestate range as), basically a introductory model, to a Hotrod. When the Valvestate range are about as akin to any of Marshalls real amps as Squier are to Fender CustomShop?
Though I do like the Valvestates and gigged a 8080, 8280 aned 8100 for years. Hard heavy gigging, pushing those amps to silly extremes. From 94 to 2003 and never had a problem once, ever.
I'd view experience of Marshall very limited if all there is to draw on is the Valvestate range.

The Hotrod series amps are a joke in comparison to the reliability of even the JCM900, which is the Marshall everyone gripes about. Never mind the purely indestructible Plexi's, 800's or even JTM's. Comparing a entry level series like the Valvestate to a £600 valve amp is a bit silly. Though the Hotrod amps are absolutely plagued with reliability issues, never mind the bad sound out of them.

Why do you think that people that can have any amp they want choose proper Marshall for stage backline? It's not like they have to pay for them, the likes of Springsteen (who point blank refuses any sponsorship) could have any amp from any manufacturer. For free. Yet you don't see any player of note using a Hotrod Deluxe do you? Never mind the plethora of metal players who made their careers using Marshall and now they have the option to have anything, stick with what they know works.

Why don't you see Hotrod series amps as basic studio amps? When proper Marshalls and Twin's (or the odd Bassman or Champ) are a requirement to any serious studio that hires itself to recording artists.

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Post subject: Re: isnt the jcm800 2203 not 2204?
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:03 pm
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i dont really understand the codes and all that so forgive me for being a rookie. but on marshall site, it says 'jcm800 2203' not '2204'
The 2203 is 100 watts and the 2204 is 50 watts. Hope this helps.........Mike

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Post subject: Re: ideal marshall amp for fender strat?
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:48 pm
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I never heard of any reliability issues with Marshalls, I don't like their sound, but I think their reputation speakes for itself. I mean look at Bonamassa, he's had his stock Silver Jubilee on stage for the last 15 years with no issues. JMO

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Post subject: Re: ideal marshall amp for fender strat?
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:56 pm
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I have 3 Marshalls,a'72 Artiste,an'83 2204 and an '84 4210 and outside of tube changes neither amp has given me a minute of trouble.From what I've experienced Marshalls are just about bomb proof.

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Post subject: Re: ideal marshall amp for fender strat?
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:47 pm
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nikininja wrote:
So you compare a entry level amp (what Marshall first introduced the Valvestate range as), basically a introductory model, to a Hotrod. When the Valvestate range are about as akin to any of Marshalls real amps as Squier are to Fender CustomShop?


Neither valvestate held up as well as a $100 Crate practice amp... from a price perspective, the HRD and the VS100R were about the same price, so I think it's a perfectly reasonable comparison.

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I'd view experience of Marshall very limited if all there is to draw on is the Valvestate range.


Fair enough, but getting two shoddy products was enough for me.

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The Hotrod series amps are a joke in comparison to the reliability of even the JCM900, which is the Marshall everyone gripes about. Never mind the purely indestructible Plexi's, 800's or even JTM's. Comparing a entry level series like the Valvestate to a £600 valve amp is a bit silly. Though the Hotrod amps are absolutely plagued with reliability issues, never mind the bad sound out of them.


I'm confused: are you saying the HRD is crap, or that the vavlestate shouldn't be held to the same standard? The price was the same for both in the US, so the HRD isn't a $900 amp here. My experience, again: my valvestates died long before they should. My HRD was essentially put into a glorified garage in a climate that is a cross between a swamp and oceanfront for a few years -- all my guitar cases had rusted hinges, rusted strings on the guitars themselves, etc -- and continued to perform as good as new. There was some corrosion on the chrome panel, and a couple of moth cocoons that were built, but otherwise a-ok.


You also seem to think I'm suggesting the HRD is the go-to amp. It really isn't. It just performed better than an equivalently priced Marshall did from a reliability standpoint.

If you want to play Metal, an HRD isn't for you. If I wanted to play Metal, I'd probably go with Crate, but that's a function of having listend to thrash metal back in the day.

My amp dollars of recent have gone to Fender, and will probably continue to. I like the build quality and I like the tone. The Marshall tone doesn't have enough appeal to me to convince me to go back to their amps. If I decide to get a non-Fender amp, then I would probably consider other amp brands before looking back to Marshall.


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Post subject: Re: ideal marshall amp for fender strat?
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:12 pm
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Thats my point, you haven't owned a Marshall amp if all you had was a Valvestate. Their a throwaway in comparison to real Marshall amps. Go plug into a JTM45 and tell me the same. As for reliability, I was playing around 90 gigs a year as well as twice weekly rehearsalls in the 90's. The gigs dropped off come the new century to around 60 a year. The only reason I ditched the 8280 was because I was bored of it after nearly a decade of gigging it.


Yeah I think the Hotrod amps are sub par, bar the pro jr which has a certain appeal to it. I much prefer the quality of that entry level Marshall than any of the Hotrod amps. The 8280 was a £400 amp, compared to a HRD which is £650 new and nowhere near as reliable, doesn't have the clarity of sound, sonic spread or features.
Ask any amp tech. You'll be very hard pressed to find a +£200 solid state amp that isn't way more reliable than any valve amp. When your throwing em in and out of vans constantly. It's the main reason valves got ditched in favour of transistors by most manufacturers in the 70's.

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Post subject: Re: ideal marshall amp for fender strat?
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:29 pm
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Tere are many clones of the great Marshall 1974x amp for about $800-$1k. If you can build or have smeone build one you will have the ultimate Marshall sound in a small package. And the resale value of these are great.


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