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Post subject: Note Phrasing
Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:23 pm
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Hey, guys, and evil lords of the guitar hahah, well anyway, I dont really like my note phrasing :? Im a blues rock hard rock player and been playing for about 4 to 5 years and never had a problem with it until now. Any suggestions of sounding more Slashy 8) Well thanks, Izzy.


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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:31 pm
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I never followed slash and to tell you the truth I don't find him any good, no offense.
Maybe find out who were his influences and listen for those guys for ideas.


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None taken, and thanks for the ideas mate :D


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Maybe find out who were his influences and listen for those guys for ideas.


That's what my advice would be too. I've been playing for about as long as the OP has and phrasing was/is something I really try to work on improving. SRV is my main influence, but my phrasing sounded like crap until I went back and took a look at who SRV's influences were. Freddie King, Jimmie Vaughan, Albert King etc. That's when I realized that the main reason my phrasing sucked was because I never left any space in my playing. I just played all my licks back to back to back nonstop. And even though that's what it sounded like Stevie was doing at first glance, when I started listening to those other guys I realized that he actually did leave spaces between licks. And they weren't just random licks either, in fact I don't think he even thought of them as licks at all. They're fluid musical phrases. After I understood that it went a long way in improving my phrasing.

Maybe if you take a look at who Slash's influences were it could help you like looking at SRV's influences helped me. :D It gives you a much deeper understanding of what they're doing.

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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:21 am
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Tried to think of Slashy suggestions and the suggestions you have sound good. It might help to play more Slashy songs and play them more often. 8)

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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:30 am
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texasguitarslinger wrote:
fendermandan wrote:
Maybe find out who were his influences and listen for those guys for ideas.


That's what my advice would be too. I've been playing for about as long as the OP has and phrasing was/is something I really try to work on improving. SRV is my main influence, but my phrasing sounded like crap until I went back and took a look at who SRV's influences were. Freddie King, Jimmie Vaughan, Albert King etc. That's when I realized that the main reason my phrasing sucked was because I never left any space in my playing. I just played all my licks back to back to back nonstop. And even though that's what it sounded like Stevie was doing at first glance, when I started listening to those other guys I realized that he actually did leave spaces between licks. And they weren't just random licks either, in fact I don't think he even thought of them as licks at all. They're fluid musical phrases. After I understood that it went a long way in improving my phrasing.

Maybe if you take a look at who Slash's influences were it could help you like looking at SRV's influences helped me. :D It gives you a much deeper understanding of what they're doing.


Awesome advice!!!!! Thanks!!!!

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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:13 am
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A good piece of guitar work is something that fits and works with the song. A piece of guitar work that sounds terrible in one song might fit another perfectly. A few rather simple tips and tricks can go a long way to improving the phrasing of a guitarist.

Scale runs can provide a musical way to go from one area of the neck to another without that big leap. This leads to a much smoother piece of phrasing between two parts of a solo or melody that would otherwise seem unconnected.
Straight scale runs tend not to work very well, unless it is a fairly small change. In most cases, a scale contour or playing the scale in thirds will be the predominate scale runs for most phrasing. Both of these types of scale runs are interesting enough to be used in their own right and fairly easy to perform with practice. Scale runs are useful for moving around the neck, but they still need to be musical in their own right, as well.

Dynamics can also have a big impact on your playing and should be worked on as
much as your phrasing, IMO.

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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:17 pm
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texasguitarslinger wrote:
fendermandan wrote:
Maybe find out who were his influences and listen for those guys for ideas.


That's what my advice would be too. I've been playing for about as long as the OP has and phrasing was/is something I really try to work on improving. SRV is my main influence, but my phrasing sounded like crap until I went back and took a look at who SRV's influences were. Freddie King, Jimmie Vaughan, Albert King etc. That's when I realized that the main reason my phrasing sucked was because I never left any space in my playing. I just played all my licks back to back to back nonstop. And even though that's what it sounded like Stevie was doing at first glance, when I started listening to those other guys I realized that he actually did leave spaces between licks. And they weren't just random licks either, in fact I don't think he even thought of them as licks at all. They're fluid musical phrases. After I understood that it went a long way in improving my phrasing.

Maybe if you take a look at who Slash's influences were it could help you like looking at SRV's influences helped me. :D It gives you a much deeper understanding of what they're doing.


TGS, I tend to get too quick in my phrases leaving little or no space. I am working on this right now...trying to be patient between licks and phrases. Much more difficult than it sounds. Great advice!!!

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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:30 pm
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All really good advice that you've been given thus far.
I would add this: Try playing solo ideas that are based on just a few notes. Play them over and over, and listen to the different ways they can be put together to form melodies and phrases. Bend into a note, slide in, hammer on. Change the rhythm. Repeat notes several times before moving to another note. You will eventually start playing phrases. Don't give up - this is not something that you will master in a day, or a week. But over time, it will start to creep into and improve your playing.
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:22 pm
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Thanks everybody for the suggestions!
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:04 pm
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There's a great article on phrasing in the Vol. 31/No. 13 Holiday 2010 issue of Guitar World magazine. The title of the article (by Keith Wyatt) is "The Art of The Fill". It addresses many of the issues you mention in your post. I have read the article several times and it has really given me some helpful guidelines for my practice of phrasing and fills. It should be online at guitarworlddigital.com! Anyway some good info there.

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Phrasing is a great tool. It allows more sound and mood to come from a few notes vs. a run of scales. It often consists of techniques to manipulate a single note. Some great players who had no technical training can use the phrasing to innovate and not duplicate musical styles. Those who do are often icons of guitar.


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texasguitarslinger wrote:
fendermandan wrote:
Maybe find out who were his influences and listen for those guys for ideas.


That's what my advice would be too. I've been playing for about as long as the OP has and phrasing was/is something I really try to work on improving. SRV is my main influence, but my phrasing sounded like crap until I went back and took a look at who SRV's influences were. Freddie King, Jimmie Vaughan, Albert King etc. That's when I realized that the main reason my phrasing sucked was because I never left any space in my playing. I just played all my licks back to back to back nonstop. And even though that's what it sounded like Stevie was doing at first glance, when I started listening to those other guys I realized that he actually did leave spaces between licks. And they weren't just random licks either, in fact I don't think he even thought of them as licks at all. They're fluid musical phrases. After I understood that it went a long way in improving my phrasing.

Maybe if you take a look at who Slash's influences were it could help you like looking at SRV's influences helped me. :D It gives you a much deeper understanding of what they're doing.


Gosh, she's smart for a youngster. 8)

Something that helped me was firing a guitarist that used to be in my band. He was the type that would step all over (and under) your solos, and it got to where I was afraid to pause because my solo would be over and his would start. He felt like every single moment had to be filled with some type of sound (and preferably, that sound would have been his guitar). When he left the band (for reasons other than this), my playing and phrasing improved dramatically--it began to breathe.

You want to phrase like Slash? Don't just concentrate on what he does play, concentrate on when he doesn't.

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Gosh, she's smart for a youngster.


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