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Post subject: tuner help.
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:16 pm
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i have a question about a set of tuners.
im asking about the old style Kluson tuners.
there is a little hole on each one. im told that
it there for a drop of oil from time to time.
is this true? what oil would you use there 3-in-1 ok?

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Post subject: Re: tuner help.
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:02 pm
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I seem to remember those, 3 in1 oil, I have a better product in mind.
That would be sewing machine oil, is better at staying where it was applied.

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Post subject: Re: tuner help.
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:09 pm
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hum, ive been doing some research since this post. whats happening is slippage.
i dont think oiling is the answer at this point.
ive been reading that this is a repairable problem, but to what degree i dont know yet.
i believe its a common problem with these style tuners.
so now i gotta find someone with the skills that can repair these for me. i will not
undertake this job on my own. these things are to old for me to be experimenting on lol.

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Post subject: Re: tuner help.
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:19 pm
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How old is this guitar, You can always swap for direct drop-ins so that if you wish to sell the guitar in the future you reinstall the original tuners, but in the meantime you have a set of tuners installed that look vintage but perform as modern tuners should :idea:

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Post subject: Re: tuner help.
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:29 pm
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this guitar is real old and hardly ever played.
i gotta keep everything original on it.

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Post subject: Re: tuner help.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:41 am
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Insted Of Oil Try Lps Lubricant Spray. We Use Lps 2. It Doesn't Attract Dust Or Dirt. We Also Use It On Our Mtn Bikes. Great Stuff.

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Post subject: Re: tuner help.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:12 am
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Biff725 wrote:
Insted Of Oil Try Lps Lubricant Spray. We Use Lps 2. It Doesn't Attract Dust Or Dirt. We Also Use It On Our Mtn Bikes. Great Stuff.


What is LPS lubricant :?:

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Post subject: Re: tuner help.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:04 pm
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It Is A Spray Similar To WD-40 And Is Made By Lps Laboratories In GA. USA.

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Post subject: Re: tuner help.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:29 pm
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Biff725 wrote:
It Is A Spray Similar To WD-40 And Is Made By Lps Laboratories In GA. USA.


WD-40, I would never use anywhere near a guitar, or on my MTB or Road Bike.
If LPS has similar ingredients, I would follow my preceding view.

Then the only exception would be to dislodge a frozen bolt or nut and only when removed from either a guitar or my bikes.

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Post subject: Re: tuner help.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:45 pm
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way cool jr wrote:
hum, ive been doing some research since this post. whats happening is slippage.
i dont think oiling is the answer at this point.
ive been reading that this is a repairable problem, but to what degree i dont know yet.
i believe its a common problem with these style tuners.
so now i gotta find someone with the skills that can repair these for me. i will not
undertake this job on my own. these things are to old for me to be experimenting on lol.


Actually, if you remove the tuner(s), you will find that each tuner's box housing is held to the plate by two bent metal tabs. If you pry these tabs up, the box housing will slide off and then you can work on the gear itself. Further, once you've finished tightening or replacing the gear (as the case may be), you can then put a tiny dab of extremely light grease on it before you recrimp the housing back on it. Of note: This small dab of grease's viscosity would never break down to the point of where it would permeate into the guitar's wood. Or, you can use a teflon based lubricant. Either way, you can select from (but are not limited to) some of these products:
http://www.fiferhobby.com/html/lubricants.html

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Post subject: Re: tuner help.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:07 pm
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Martian wrote:
way cool jr wrote:
hum, ive been doing some research since this post. whats happening is slippage.
i dont think oiling is the answer at this point.
ive been reading that this is a repairable problem, but to what degree i dont know yet.
i believe its a common problem with these style tuners.
so now i gotta find someone with the skills that can repair these for me. i will not
undertake this job on my own. these things are to old for me to be experimenting on lol.


Actually, if you remove the tuner(s), you will find that each tuner's box housing is held to the plate by two bent metal tabs. If you pry these tabs up, the box housing will slide off and then you can work on the gear itself. Further, once you've finished tightening or replacing the gear (as the case may be), you can then put a tiny dab of extremely light grease on it before you recrimp the housing back on it. Of note: This small dab of grease's viscosity would never break down to the point of where it would permeate into the guitar's wood. Or, you can use a teflon based lubricant. Either way, you can select from (but are not limited to) some of these products:
http://www.fiferhobby.com/html/lubricants.html


Yehhh...Martian to the rescue 8)

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Post subject: Re: tuner help.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:29 pm
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Martian wrote:
way cool jr wrote:
hum, ive been doing some research since this post. whats happening is slippage.
i dont think oiling is the answer at this point.
ive been reading that this is a repairable problem, but to what degree i dont know yet.
i believe its a common problem with these style tuners.
so now i gotta find someone with the skills that can repair these for me. i will not
undertake this job on my own. these things are to old for me to be experimenting on lol.


Actually, if you remove the tuner(s), you will find that each tuner's box housing is held to the plate by two bent metal tabs. If you pry these tabs up, the box housing will slide off and then you can work on the gear itself. Further, once you've finished tightening or replacing the gear (as the case may be), you can then put a tiny dab of extremely light grease on it before you recrimp the housing back on it. Of note: This small dab of grease's viscosity would never break down to the point of where it would permeate into the guitar's wood. Or, you can use a teflon based lubricant. Either way, you can select from (but are not limited to) some of these products:
http://www.fiferhobby.com/html/lubricants.html



im gonna find a place to do this for me martain.
these tuners are extremely expensive to replace, $900 and up per tuner.
im gonna find a quality place with insurance to do the job if the backlash can even be fixed. its honestly not looking so good at this point. im told there will always be backlash to some degree after even the highest quality repair has been made.

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Post subject: Re: tuner help.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:11 pm
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way cool jr wrote:
Martian wrote:
way cool jr wrote:
hum, ive been doing some research since this post. whats happening is slippage.
i dont think oiling is the answer at this point.
ive been reading that this is a repairable problem, but to what degree i dont know yet.
i believe its a common problem with these style tuners.
so now i gotta find someone with the skills that can repair these for me. i will not
undertake this job on my own. these things are to old for me to be experimenting on lol.


Actually, if you remove the tuner(s), you will find that each tuner's box housing is held to the plate by two bent metal tabs. If you pry these tabs up, the box housing will slide off and then you can work on the gear itself. Further, once you've finished tightening or replacing the gear (as the case may be), you can then put a tiny dab of extremely light grease on it before you recrimp the housing back on it. Of note: This small dab of grease's viscosity would never break down to the point of where it would permeate into the guitar's wood. Or, you can use a teflon based lubricant. Either way, you can select from (but are not limited to) some of these products:
http://www.fiferhobby.com/html/lubricants.html



im gonna find a place to do this for me martain.
these tuners are extremely expensive to replace, $900 and up per tuner.
im gonna find a quality place with insurance to do the job if the backlash can even be fixed. its honestly not looking so good at this point. im told there will always be backlash to some degree after even the highest quality repair has been made.


Of course, this is your prerogative.

Reinforcing your point: In terms of backlash, truth be told, Klusons weren't the greatest and that's why they wound up going out of business. They did enjoy somewhat of a monopoly back in the day though. And because they were OEM on so many [now] vintage instruments, they remain in demand in spite of the fact that they of course, will continue to slip and/or bind now as then.

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Post subject: Re: tuner help.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:16 pm
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now you see my problem. i dont play this guitar much at all. maybe once or twice for the total of 10 minutes in the last yr. thing is, i want to keep it in great working order.
i think im in a pickle. the cheapest set ive found is $5,499.00
im not ready to shell out that kind of cash on a non player at this point.

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Post subject: Re: tuner help.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:38 pm
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I Should Clarify That You Wouldn't Spray On The lube. It Has An Applicator Straw That Lets You Apply A Tiny Amount. I Use It On The Contact Points Of The Strings On The Bridge. And Wouldn't Be Worried To Place A Little In The Hole In The Back Of The Tuner

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