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All I can say is that Fox News rating for just the moth of January between 5pm-11pm. slots are all 70% to 125% higher then CNN, MSNBC and HLN plus it was again the overall 4th. highest watched cable channel for the month. AGAIN
They sure must be doing something right on FOX Network to have that many viewers and it is also the reason the Liberals fear and complain about the network so much.

So which network do you think represents the majority? The most popular or the less watched networks?

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Mubarak has no doubt been propped up by the West. He was the lesser of two evils and easier to control while claiming he was forming a "democracy" in Egypt. I mean just look at how much aid/funds the US has given to Egypt. No doubt he was being paid to be our friend. The problem now is we are out of money and cant pay for anyone in the Middle East to be our friend anymore, save for Israel who will remain our ally through all of this.

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Several years ago I was making a credit card purchase in a record store in Memphis and had to show my driver's licence for ID.The cashier looked at and said"Newfoundland and Labrador what state is that?"MY guess is geography wasn't her best subject.

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Most of the U.S. aid to them has been Military aid, over 200 F-16 Fighters and they are in a joint production plan with in which Egypt will end up with 1,200 of the M1A1 Abrams Battle Tanks. Lockeed is also building them 20 F-16CD Advanced Fighters. It has been one of the more stable countries over there and in that time they outlawed the Muslim Brotherhood one of the current supporter of the rioting.

I am all for the creation of Democracy but you have to be very suspicious of who is behind the scene in such overthrows.
Where was obamas support at the last Iranian elections when the little dictator stole it. Probably reading his Quran

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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

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i agree ,Military aid to help them fight the muslim brotherhood yes, but the Muslim brotherhood never went anywhere really. They were always there behind the scenes, they are very smart politically. What is going on in Egypt isnt a protest it is a coup.

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Does anyone in America have the BBC? not MSNBC but the BBC worldwide news?

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Exactly, Thats my point, But the information given out from both sides these days has become rather thin on substance (the truth). So now our government wants to "regulate" the internet, The last place of free press in existence, to protect us from the bad guys like Wiki leaks. after that guy showed up, exposing national secrets that weren't really that secret anymore. Oh Well, I'm not buyin what they are sellin' right or left.

The majority is irrelevant in this context, large viewership does not insure objective reporting.
American idol and much of the so called reality programs have large audience's, that in itself does not mean that the shows are unscripted,( which they are ) or for that matter are anywhere near reality.

If your a lemming you run with the majority....right off the cliff..
As i posted earlier, i take news reporting with a healthy dose of skepticism.

As far as Fox doing something right, Yes they are, they are very aware of their audience and thus pander to that majority.
Forming opinions from just one source of news leads one to make myopic assumptions.
News reporting always has an agenda, it is up to us the audience to decipher the content.
Or at least that is the expectation for an educated person.

Since we are on the subject of Liberals versus Conservatives versus Right Wing versus Left Wing.
This artificial Polarizing is so unproductive, depending upon the issue all of us are according to our personal principles in one camp or the other, it is never static.

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here is a good link to information about the current state of political freedom in egypt for anyone that is interested.

http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cf ... &year=2010

wait for the world map to come up. then click on egypt several times and the article about egypt will come up.

Even your Freedom House org mentions the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas in the same breath! One in the same and who is responsible for most of the violence in that area along the Gasa Strip and Israel HAMAS. So all these years of Peace may come to a end if the Egyptian transition is allowed to include leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood (Hamas)

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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

Thomas Jefferson

wait a minute, i thought pluto was a cartoon dog??

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Egypt has been a Islamic country for 1600 odd years now. I don't think any extremist group is any more a threat now than it has ever been.

CV I ask you to question your use of the term 'Years of peace are threatened'.
Neither Northern Africa (as a whole) or the Middle East have had a constant spell of peace for five thousand years, thereabouts. There's always been some two pint charlie wanting to have a scrap



I think this is about the best view to take on what were told. The media isn't clever, they forget the lies they told you last week to tell you new lies this week. With a thread of truth weaved through for good measure.

Why weren't we so concerned with Ghana, Ethiopia, or currently Somalia?
Because Egypt has long been a safeground where east meets west. What we're really seeing on the news is governments trying to hide the fact that they are too scared to step in. Hiding that awkward position behind the typical left/right (both cheeks of the same rear end) arguament to keep the public blind.
Why? What, from that area of the world threatens the financial stability of the west more than keeping oil flowing in?
Why not invade Egypt? Egypt would certainly make a great strategic stronghold for that area of the world. Plant a massive airbase in the middle of the Sahara, as close to inaccesible by anything but air travel as you'll find.

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I can see some use for working with Ghana but Somalia? Sharia is taking a strong hold there, more so then in the past.
And when talking Peace I was meaning more so between Egypt and Israel for the last 30 years. And yes there has been many a Mullah or Ayatollah's wanting to scrap.

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Somalian Pirates Would be my most obvious reason as to the why , of being involved with Somalia.

Every time the U.S.A. practices Isolationism, it comes back to bite us in the bud. I'm not advocating the covert overthrow of foreign governments since that brings on a rather large can of worms But rather that since we are a democracy and a world leader, keeping relations with foreign Pro or Anti Governments comes with the responsibility of being a world leader.

It's the responsibility of progressive educated nations to work with regressive nations ( however unpleasant that may be ) to bring about positive change.
Ignoring them makes the situation worse, we do not have to look very far for prime examples

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