Agree with that also.....And he is doing something new, I bought his album just for that reason and some of it is interesting. but blues player he is not.

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When we look at the list perhaps you have to ask what they judge on.. Perhaps not 'playing style' or 'How good are they?' but 'what have they contributed to the industry?' and 'How Influential to popular music?'

Ill put it like this, JF made the chillis worldwide multi platinum with the following albums like:

Mothers Milk
Bloodsugarsexmagik
The Plasma Shaft
Californication
By The Way
Stadium Arcadium

Each of these albums turned them into the great legend they are. EVH for example, to tell the truth I would never shell out coin for a Van Halen album as I just don't like the type of music they play. I can say the same for my mates. Im 30yrs old, and that says something- there are a lot of people in this world that are my age and younger. Not to say EVH isnt a genius and he is a good player, he just didnt quite put out an album ANYONE would listen to, including myself. Just a certain type of listener I guess.

Slash- well, lets face it. If anyone was to regognise him, its because he wears a top hat, has a wooly head of black hair with a low slung Les Paul. He is as recognisable to the generation for guitar as hendrix was. GnR Lies, Appetite For Destruction and Use Your Illusion appealed to more, than say... Mark Knopfler. Ok, so Mark Knopfler is in my eye, a better player. Nice songs and a nice sound. But you pull a kid aside and say "Slash!" and they will say "Killer Guitar!" or "Guitar Hero on xbox!!" Then say "Mark Knopfler" and they will say "Err, who!?"

Bonamassa is the same. Awesome player on youtube, but no-one down here has heard of him. I have only come to discover him as some of the forum members are fans- so I looked into him on youtube and can see he is a good player. But in all honesty, I can guarantee that I can go to my local CD & DVD store music retailer and they will have absolutely nothing in there for him at all.

I remember years ago, in a British magazine they voted Kurt Cobain as the #1 influential guitarist and people misread that saying that he couldnt play a blues solo to save himself. Yet, (from Wiki) "Rolling Stone ranked "Smells Like Teen Spirit" ninth in its 2004 list of The 500 Greatest Songs of All Time, and described its impact as "A shock wave of big-amp purity, [it] wiped the lingering jive of the Eighties off the pop map overnight."
Which I totally believe the wiping the jive of the eighties off the map bit. It had so much impact that it inspired more kids to play and be like him, and he has sold more albums than Yngwie, EVH, SRV, Mark Knopfler... you get the idea. Hell, Smells Like Teen Spirit spelled doom to GnR type of rock and forced Metallica to unsuccesfully change the way they approach their music. Hair/glam rock days were over.. and only one song did that! Interestingly enough, Cobain himself isnt on the above list.

So looking at this list- it looks to me it is compiled off 'Who (being the guitarist) has shaped popular rock music today?' although it is very subjective. If you took the creativity that John has, considering he can write the type of platinum album where ALL of the songs were so good that you could listen to them all in one go for the first time and like them all, he has kept up with the times and is actually ahead of our own time, and also the level of influence the Red Hot Chilli Peppers have made in the 29yrs they have been together, is making me think that they are very well on their way to be the next "Rolling Stones". But even that is subjective to everyones own opinion.

Slash probably saved modern rocks skin from turning into synthesiser-driven pop or the growing trend from Defjam with "Appetite for Destruction"- where he literally slung a LP through a driven marshall jubilee stack and nothing but distortion and the odd wah & delay, giving the rock music a much needed kick in the backside to get going again...
Not neccesarily the BEST player- but very popular at the time with a very wide range of fans..

We all know, the worlds best guitarist could well be unknown to any music industry. Possibly jobless, playing on his front porch with nothing better to do- or maybe filthy rich with a line of signature guitars? who knows. Who is the best player? It's in the eye of the beholder

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so we are determining the modern guitar hero based on what is "pop" or what was "pop" enough that a lot of people listened to it? sad day for modern music. JF didn't make RHCP worldwide platinum, the group as a whole did it. I never once listened to the peppers and thought "wow this guitarist is great". If anything it was Anthony Kiedis or Flea as the front men that made the band famous worldwide. I thought as a band they were good together but he never stood out as some guitar hero at all. After BloodSugar they went downhill and more and more pop, more about pleasing the masses than putting out quality tight music. The peppers didnt really get hot until 91 when they hired Rick Rubin. So we are crowning JF as guitar hero based on less than 20 years of work where they had 1, or i will give you 2, hot albums with the rest of their albums being built around the 1-2 "hits" that got played on MTV and at frat parties. You do sound like you are approaching the list as a fan of JF and RHCP though so I understand where you are coming from if that is the case.



WOW, just wow. but as you said, you don't like the type of music they play. I am 32, and more people in my circles respect and know of EVH than JF and when the topic of best guitar players comes up JF aint in the discussion. The younger generations have less input on the topic of "last 30 years" because they were around for less of it than those who can remember back to the early 80's and the solid guitarists of that decade.

I say all of this respectful of your opinion of course. We can agree to disagree respectfully.

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Blues with a feeling.

GUILD GUITARS: MADE TO BE PLAYED!

Frusciante's guitar work on "Under The Bridge" is pure Hendrix. Classic channeling.......... Mike

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The blues ain't nothin but a good man feelin bad.

I could see Frusciante being up there. If nothing else he sure helped move some strats (He was one of the reasons I picked one up for instance). That being said, I hate the term guitar hero. It's not like he saved the world or something, besides it's easy for your guitar playing to stand out when you have the Flea and Chad Smith backing you and a shirtless Kiedis running around like he had one too many Red Bulls. >_>

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I traded my car in for a microphone.

i hate all aspects of the band except for his playing... Flea has A FEW good bass lines, but most are just trying to be "ZOMGZZ EPICZZ!!!" and are really just annoying...

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Favorite bands:

Melvins
The Jesus Lizard
Cows
Big Business
R***man
Minutemen
Flight
Minor Threat
Big Black
Shellac
Karp
Scratch Acid
Wipers
Pixies

Not every slap bass player can be as good as Les Claypool. >_>

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I traded my car in for a microphone.

he ruined slap bass for me... now every slap bassist sounds horrible

Les Claypool's Thumb = GOD

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Favorite bands:

Melvins
The Jesus Lizard
Cows
Big Business
R***man
Minutemen
Flight
Minor Threat
Big Black
Shellac
Karp
Scratch Acid
Wipers
Pixies

I really don't get how anyone could talk John's grooves down. I mean he makes people think about guitar grooves that otherwise have never really thought about the instrument. Like Angus Young, He introduced air guitar to the world, John's Guitar solo's and modern funk/Hendrix simple to listen to totally infectious style had the non guitar people thinking about bending guitar strings like no other since Hendrix, EVH sure he is brilliant but just not inspiring to the majority, Maybe too complex and certainly not enough Groove! Like Angus young who had the non guitar people thinking about heavy chord progressions. It's not always who is the best, Like is Steve Vai the best? i have been a guitarist for 20 years and he is of so little interest to me i could not name a song of his, Or Jeff beck is he brilliant? I cant even listen to him or i spend my whole time cringing at the misses, I can only name a couple of EVH's and as fast as playing is it doesn't get me or the majority of the listeners out there a fraction as much as John, That the listeners wold wide prefer John is just undeniable fact. I personally think his groove is out of this world good and that Flea is one of the best bassists and Chad the best drummers. But so do the rest of the world. Besides the minority. To talk either of those three musicians down as not being one of the most influencial and talented bands of the modern era is just not true. They have made there mark and can produce album after album of songs that are all good. You can argue black and blue as to why they are not that for you just like i am that they are for me but statistics tell us they have made there mark time and time again for near three decades and to near three different generations as a hot modern band who are at the top, innovative and have the majority of listeners vote.

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I really like Frusciante, I think it sucks that most people will have heqrd of the chilli peppers but not Frusciante, they probably wouldn't have been as popular as they are without him. Mark Knopfler, Jimi Hendrix and John Frusciante are probably my all-time faves.

your stating an opinion as fact... do i like johns playing? hell yes, the riff in snow is amazing. do i like RHCP as a whole? hell no, its bores the hell out of me.

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Favorite bands:

Melvins
The Jesus Lizard
Cows
Big Business
R***man
Minutemen
Flight
Minor Threat
Big Black
Shellac
Karp
Scratch Acid
Wipers
Pixies

I am honestly surprised Mike McCready and Joe Bonamassa aren't on there. Kenny Wayne Shepherd should be there too. But I do think Frusciante is a good guitarist. I like his style and his music. However, would I vote the modern rock guitarist all around, no. There are many different guitarists who have many different styles so to say that one specific guitarist speaks for a generation? No

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I got this guitar and I learned how to make it talk...

I also find it interesting that Peter Buck is on there, because he's never mentioned among guitarists

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I got this guitar and I learned how to make it talk...

My opinion is just that my opinion, John and RHCP's album sales are fact.

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so nobody agrees about mascis?

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Favorite bands:

Melvins
The Jesus Lizard
Cows
Big Business
R***man
Minutemen
Flight
Minor Threat
Big Black
Shellac
Karp
Scratch Acid
Wipers
Pixies