Hey guys,
I am running an am. std. strat into my pedalboard:
boss tu-3, Keeley katana, (keeley mod) bd-2, (keeley mod) ts808, eventide timefactor

i hook everything up by george l's and am experiencing some treble loss. I am hoping you guys can suggest a solution to this tone sucking situation. thanks guys.

are you running the pedals through the efx loop or strait in the front of the amp? also check your connectors...

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I am running it in the front of the amp ...and as for the connectors how do i check them ?

You could check the load on your line by testing it with a multimeter set R to 1k and check one of your guitar's pickups via a low noise patch cable by using the two probes to the end of the 1/4" plug. This will give you the total output of the guitar's pickup with the tone and volume maxed out on the guitar. Next plug guitar into the cable you normally use and through the effects, turn the effects power supply on and turn off all the effects. Then, at the end of the 1/4" plug that goes into your guitar, do the same test you did to check the guitar's output. This should give you a general idea of how much load is on your line from the guitar to the amp. If you have less output there could be some tone sucking. If you have more output you have some kind of buffer in one of your pedals that boost the signal. If you have tone sucking, try this method via each effect to find the culprit. It could be a cable or an effect.

Any effect can tone suck. True bypass doesn't guarantee anything. You are dealing with not just patch cables, but tons of pcb traces as well as components of various quality. Way back in the 60's when I started out, no one knew about tone sucking and true bypass effects, we just used them and adjusted the tone controls. We even actually used the tone controls on the guitars too. After all the testing you have a couple of options. Live without the effect that gives you a problem, find the same type of effect that won't tone suck, or just work with the amp and guitars tone and volume controls. If treble loss is the only problem, turn up the treble on the amp and control it with your guitar. By the way, I also use George L's. Nice cables.

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You're being smart by not using the fx loop as they're big tone robbers anyway.I'd check out one effect at a time to see which one or ones are affecting the treble loss the most. Sometimes just the order you have the pedals in can also affect the tone.Try changing the order of the pedals if you can't narrow the tone loss down to one pedal.

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if one of the pedals is a wah try moving it around your chain... from my own (rather limited) experience wahs can be HUUUGE tone suckers based on their spot in the chain

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agreed on the wahs... had the v wah for a while... (BOSS) sucked a lot of tone... went back to a crybaby...

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thanks TTSC and everyone else
I am going to try the multimeter thing tomarrow... my friend is going to lend me his... it will be interesting my finds

Also.. try eliminating pedals one at a time, maybe one pedal is the culprit.. If your lacking treb, can you adjust your amp?

BIll

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