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Post subject: Re: Somebody talk some sense into me...
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:31 am
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Hi Tex, my thinking on the block issue is this I've watched a load of vids from the custom shop ME demo's and others I've yet to hear of a callaham bridge being mentioned in any of them,,,,,

You don't want to mention Callaham and Fender in the same breath when Mike Eldred's around. He's already waxed poetic on that topic in these pages in the past. The nature of the verse is not worth repeating, but I'm certain that you get my drift. :wink:


Looks like I'm going to have to do a search on that then. :lol:

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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:36 am
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TimDrakeMusic wrote:
And I'm still undecided on what to do about finishing the body. My Dad refinished a guitar body when he was in highschool and his advise is to get a professional to do it. I have enough money to get the body and neck, but not to finish them (the only quote I could get locally was $260 minimum for just the body). So he said he and some family members would help me with the cost of that. I do want it to look nice, but I'm not really confident in my own ability to pull it off. I tried painting a Strat pickguard Hendrix style when I was 15 and I ended up ruining it. I don't really know where I could do it either. Unless it was just staining, which seems simple enough.


Hey, Sorry about the cold, I would think that we are enjoying winter much more than you here in the NE :roll:

So I believe you can do the finish yourself, to keep it simple I would go for a natural finish with what I mentioned in earlier posts, Minwax stain and Minwax Polycrylic as the clear coat.
It is not at all difficult to achieve a beautiful result.
You do however have to be patient and observe the steps in wood-finishing. They cannot be rushed nor can they be out of order..
I just finished my Stratopartster project, I still have some intonation adjustments but it sounds great and plays unbelievably. I will upload final pics soon as Kath took the 35mm. with her for a few days, all I have is the I-phone 3G and the resolution with that is not up to par for closeups and low lighting conditions.
The other Stratopartster projects, the necks are almost finished, two or three more coats and they will be ready for a week of curing and then install. ( Minwax Colonial maple stain finished off with Minwax Polycrylic.) The Colonial Stain mimics a vintage look, that reddish orange tint that is so appealing in many vintage strats.

I have been in contact with ZZ-Doc, Ceri, Xhefri and a couple of others off-forum, those guys have plenty of knowledge to guide you thru a finishing process.
I will warn you ahead of time, once you finish off your own Strat, it is addictive, you will definitely consider immediately doing another project.
Not to mention doing it yourself you can save at least $200.00 dollars. ( you will need to buy sandpaper and finishing supplies but the initial material costs should well be under $60.00, I'm including stain and clear finish costs.)

I'm going to try uploading pics from My I-phone perhaps they will not be so bad.

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Post subject: Re: Somebody talk some sense into me...
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:03 pm
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TGS,

I remember you saying you were coming down with a cold. Glad you are feeling better. I have been rather busy at work with flu patients these last couple weeks.

Although I love the silver burst, as others have mentioned, if you want to finish the guitar yourself, a stain or single color may be better for you at this time. I like all you concepts and you help me open my mind to some non traditional ideas when thinking of color schemes for guitars. As mentioned before if you still need materials, ect...let us know.

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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:06 pm
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I'm back, after trying to upload by sending instead of just plugging the I-Phone to the I-Mac. :roll:
Here are a few pics of the completed Stratopartster and the next projects.

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This is with Colonial Maple stain and Polycrylic clear all by Minwax.

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These are the other Strat build neck and the Precision Bass neck
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A last shot of the almost complete family
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As you can see, it is very possible to DIY your project and keep your costs to a minimum.
Except for the last pic I'm stisfied with the I-phone's resolution.
I will add that the black strat was painted with Krylon Black and Clear all from Aerosol Cans.
The Colonial Maple stain on the necks was applied with a cotton cloth from a $3.00 Can.
The Polycrylic clear was also from Aerosol cans, both from Minwax Gloss undercoats than Satin...

In the last photo it seems that the Black Strat is not a Fender, but it is a MIA Standard body, unfortunately the body was so beat up on the edges that I had to recontour the edges so it has much softer edges than a normal strat ( almost like an Ibanez :!: sacrilege :lol: )

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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:12 pm
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Thanks for the cudos, but I'll defer to you and Ceri on this one. A man's got to know his limitations. :? You can touch base with 'rk' and myself on matters such as the flu. :wink:

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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:55 am
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Well, I guess I'd probably be all right if I practiced on some scrap wood first. I would have to find a place to do it though, which may be difficult. Houston weather is horrible for refinishing, that's why the guitar store where I worked stopped doing that just a year into it's existence. And my garage doesn't really have anything in place for air circulation, plus it's packed with stuff waiting to be sold at the next garage sale we have. I'd have to think of something else...

Oh wait, I think I've got it! My little brother is an artist (paints, pencils, stuff like that) and sometimes he goes to learn things at this art studio. I'm sure they would have somewhere I could paint, I'll ask next weekend if he goes. :)

How hard would it be to do a white/blond transparent finish like in the first picture? Would I need to paint it or stain it?

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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:43 am
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texasguitarslinger wrote:
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Hi Tex, my thinking on the block issue is this I've watched a load of vids from the custom shop ME demo's and others I've yet to hear of a callaham bridge being mentioned in any of them,,,,,

You don't want to mention Callaham and Fender in the same breath when Mike Eldred's around. He's already waxed poetic on that topic in these pages in the past. The nature of the verse is not worth repeating, but I'm certain that you get my drift. :wink:


Looks like I'm going to have to do a search on that then. :lol:

Yeah Doc's right, didn't want to misquote ME, but "snake oil" was in there somewhere I'm sure


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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:07 am
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texasguitarslinger wrote:
Well, I guess I'd probably be all right if I practiced on some scrap wood first. I would have to find a place to do it though, which may be difficult. Houston weather is horrible for refinishing, that's why the guitar store where I worked stopped doing that just a year into it's existence. And my garage doesn't really have anything in place for air circulation, plus it's packed with stuff waiting to be sold at the next garage sale we have. I'd have to think of something else...

Oh wait, I think I've got it! My little brother is an artist (paints, pencils, stuff like that) and sometimes he goes to learn things at this art studio. I'm sure they would have somewhere I could paint, I'll ask next weekend if he goes. :)

How hard would it be to do a white/blond transparent finish like in the first picture? Would I need to paint it or stain it?

There was a build / paint job like that one on the strat forum recently, maybe find it in The Nutter's build list - Kozy's build has a similar finish, and worth a read
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:43 am
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[quote="ripitup555http://www.fender.com/community/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=40670&start=225[/quote]

As an aside.....and FYI....this is the headstock logo design which sparked the discussion on trademark violations, that we are into again on another thread. It's brilliantly clever in concept, but can only appear on his guitars. It is unlawful for him to distribute it in any manner, shape or form for use by anyone else.

Kozy's project is one she should read from end to end, in addtion to the others which were collated and the link provided to earlier. :?:

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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:18 am
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texasguitarslinger wrote:
Well, I guess I'd probably be all right if I practiced on some scrap wood first. I would have to find a place to do it though, which may be difficult. Houston weather is horrible for refinishing, that's why the guitar store where I worked stopped doing that just a year into it's existence. And my garage doesn't really have anything in place for air circulation, plus it's packed with stuff waiting to be sold at the next garage sale we have. I'd have to think of something else...

Oh wait, I think I've got it! My little brother is an artist (paints, pencils, stuff like that) and sometimes he goes to learn things at this art studio. I'm sure they would have somewhere I could paint, I'll ask next weekend if he goes. :)

How hard would it be to do a white/blond transparent finish like in the first picture? Would I need to paint it or stain it?



What is Houston weather like now or for the next two months an average ?

A white/blond transparent should be the simplest. That shade is reminiscent of antique white,
go to < http://www.minwax.com > click on the water based stains, you will see what they call " White Wash Pickling Stain " They have over 40 colors in water based stains just for wood, with this selection I will never need to use oil based stains or finishes for a guitar.
You'll see all the shades and colors that we see in guitars.
Water Based is going to be your most user-friendly medium.

The easiest way and the best results for applying a stain is to use a cotton rag or old sock to apply the stain.( one that does not spread lint) Enough to cover well, but the rag should not be dripping, wipe on the stain in a circular motion, let it sit for a couple of minutes then with another clean rag, wipe off the excess. Let dry, inspect and if you want a bit more color/shade then apply another coat and repeat the process.
Do not fine-sand the stain app. if you do you will remove the stain and get to the bare wood.
( unless you want that effect ) Next you can apply the clear Polycrylic (waterbased). You must wait 24 hours between the stain final app. and the first coat of clear. (just to make sure the stain has dried completely). A light first coat, followed by a light second coat. ( By light I'm referring to spraying evenly where your spray is directed from one side of the body to the other and you either work your way up or down or side to side, BUT always overshoot the body, so that in effect you are spraying the air on each side of the body (or neck) coming across the body and continuing past the other side.
If you start and stop at the edges, you will get an uneven and/or too thick of a layering.
Layering is the key. multiple light coats, dry enough between coats that you can sand lightly with 600 grit then wipe off or vacuum (soft brush attachment) the sanded residue and apply another coat. depending on the weather, I'm looking at Houston weather on the I-phone at the moment as I write this @ 11:00am 50F to 69F :roll: It is 25F here in CT. :shock:
Your weather is actually ideal for applying stains and Polycrylic finishes.
Because I could not set up inside the house I was working on this past summer, I set up my stain and polycrylic clear station outside to finish off interior raised panel doors and trim casings.
The polycrylic dries to the touch very quickly, within a half hour, so doing this outside is not a problem, but I suggest not in direct sunlight as it will dry to quickly, in the shade, like under one of those awning you sit under at a picnic table :?: Also you could do this under the shade of a tree, but not coniferous (pine trees) as they will at this time of year (early spring) drip sap, not something you want to experience in removing from bare wood.

Sorry this is a long post but this should give you something to think about..
Minwax.com has a lot of info in how to apply their products to wood.
Read up on it, it will answer a lot of your potential questions.. 8) :idea:

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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:24 am
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Those are the links TGS needs to look into, the photo's are worth a thousand words

Thanks Doc and ripitup555

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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:08 pm
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I just skimmed that thread for now, but when I have more time I'm going to go back and read it for real. Looks really interesting, and that's the sort of finish I was thinking about too.

Weather wise, the next two months are probably the best of the year. Should be around 65-80 degrees during the day and fairly dry. The only thing is that it could always change on a dime so I would have to pay very close attention to the extended forecast. By May it starts heating up and by June we start getting more tropical weather systems which means it's really hot, we have high humidity and a lot of rain up off the gulf. And that usually doesn't end until late October when cold fronts start reaching us.

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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:26 am
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How hard would it be to do a white/blond transparent finish like in the first picture? Would I need to paint it or stain it?

Hi TGS: for that finish the color is applied as a semi-transparent tint in the lacquer, not as a stain.

A very good guide for this particular finish is a build on Ron Kirn's website. This is page four of the build and covers what he calls his "Honey Blonde" (near enough the same thing, far as a "how to" is concerned) from the sealer stage onward. The previous page is also worth looking at for prepping the wood. Actually, the whole thread is a classic from start to finish!

http://www.ronkirn.com/tutorial/strat_tutorial3.htm

Once you've got that under your belt you can buy nitrocellulose aerosols in either Blonde or Mary Kaye White from this page:

http://reranchstore.stores.yahoo.net/fencuscol.html

Be aware, you will also need plenty of clear nitro too, as well as an aerosol of Vinyl Sealer to begin the job. Behlen do a good sealer: Google for a supplier.

Vinyl Sealer is not absolutely essential - but it will save you many dollars in lacquer, which is why everyone uses it whether they say so or not. See Ron Kirn's pages, above...

Good luck - C

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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:27 am
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Hi, just a quick one this time re the jass issue, look for a Epiphone SST STUDIO,
built in shadow pre amp,vol,treb.bass controls, can play with amp or headphones only,
simi hollow body,nice neck 24 fret-25.5 scale. GROVER tuners, medium jumbo frets and
plays very well. I was able to buy the last one in stock in canada but they sell them
in the states to, price for me new $467.
So check it out if you get a chance you might be interested.


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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:37 am
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How about some solid information on protecting her skin, eyes, hair, and respiratory system, as well as the environment around her, from all of these 'lovely' materials she's about to begin handling :idea:

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