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Post subject: Re: Somebody talk some sense into me...
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:43 am
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Ceri..... Very Funny :)
I had an inkling that you would be the one, (no wabbit hole here hopefully :lol: )
Seems to me...( I have to stop quoting songs here ) Anyway...seems to me that you have the best handle on how to coordinate this project and everyone involved has to be on the same paragraph and page... 8) Cool 8)...

One important question is if we are going to PM TGS for sensitive matters, How do we coordinate all that, so If I PM TGS or someone else does, the others may not know what's up and we do not want to be doubling back every two steps.
So we'll need to have set up a real time check-list ( if that is feasible )
Would it be on this thread or is there an easier way to be able to instantly check which phase we are on at any given time.
Not to mention the fact that we are all in different time zone's ( slight minor glipch :wink: )

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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:45 am
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As much as I hate to say it here. I much prefer the idea of buying parts to build a guitar as to buying a new one. It just seems more personal and heartfelt to me.


I agree Niki.


I'm of the same opinion plus it can be a Custom quality strat instead of reworking an original.
As far as the neck and body, it will be much easier to spec it to TGS's preferences.

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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:27 am
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TGS...
I read the spec sheet, I did pick up and play an Eric Johnson not too long ago and I felt it is very similar to my CS 56 NOS in neck feel and all.
I'm going to spec out from Bhefner following your criteria and see if it can be posted on this thread for reference to all.

On the pickguard issue :?: :?:

Anyway, these are the parts I have to offer for this project.

(1) Vintage Fender style Gotoh's tuners, screws and ferrules of course.
( not staggered but I have deleted the string tree on my guitars so the Rivera harmonics can be achieved, with no tuning issues.)
(2) Straplock set (ready to mount )
(3) 3 Knobs in white/gold lettering Vol, Tone, Tone.
(4) 3 pickup covers in white
(5) Trem arm tip, and 3/5 way switch tip in white
(6) Rear Trem Cavity plate in white

(8) I don't know if this would work but it is yours if you so wish.
Pickguard SSS but it is in Polished Chrome, if white is the preference I may ask a friend in a
shop if I could trade him even for a color change

As far as pick guard screws, I have been going to a hardware store and getting the Brass screws ( #4 x 1/2" ) they are phillips head and flat unlike the domed screws these fit flush in the pickguard and look sort of vintage since brass will develop a patina very quickly.Just an added detail to further personalize.

Speaking of screws for the Lounge o Caster you can buy at a hardware store all the neede screws, springs etc...etc.. for much less than the guitar parts suppliers and they can be in a more varied style, flathead, phillips etc..
All you need is to look up the screw size, thread, diameter and lenght.

( I'll look up BHeff. specs later as I'm off to work and it is snowing once again )( Quattro Time :lol: 8) )

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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:34 pm
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If my view of her band's videos are correct, their 'frontperson' is playing a PRS. :shock: ..(Orianthi influenced, perhaps?). Got some heavy competition there. :?

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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:49 pm
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Ceri, thank you Bro! You have my FB info and myspace info (MrSolarcoaster). Looking very coordinated, let me know how I can be of assistance. The EJ soft V neck is the only elusive part so far it seems, but I'm sure we'll find one. :D

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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:21 pm
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Sounds great!!! Look forward to contributing!!

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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:51 pm
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I think Ceri has the right idea about how to work it all out. I've never had anything like this happen before, so I'd rather leave the logistics to the people who have. :) But I also don't have a problem with taking an active role in it either.

Also, I've decided against the S-1 Switch. While it's cool, it would just be something extra which I probably don't need. And it's something I could always add on down the road. Plus I want to keep the budget reasonable.

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Ceri, while I totally agree with you, I'd say not to limit the paypal contributions. To each his/hers own.
After all, there were talks of different things - a partsocaster, a new guitar (I'd rather support this than a 2nd hand one, unless it's truly exceptional) and a hollowbody/semi-hollow/archtop jazz type of thingie.

And speaking of the latest, rather than an Epi Dot or an Ibanez, I'd rather suggest a Hagstrom Viking or better (I hear good things of the Schecter Corsair, but I have yet to at least hear one).
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/prod ... sku=513354

Some Viking demos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSdH9z8snac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmXeOilXLJw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxt6IfXoWUQ


The jazz guitar thing was just something I was curious about. It's not something I really need right now, it's more like something I'd like to get six months to a year from now when I'm in school. In the meantime I've discovered that I can get some great fake hollowbody tones out of my Strat plugged into a bass amp. I accidentally plugged into one at work and it sounded great. :lol:

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One important question is if we are going to PM TGS for sensitive matters, How do we coordinate all that, so If I PM TGS or someone else does, the others may not know what's up and we do not want to be doubling back every two steps.
So we'll need to have set up a real time check-list ( if that is feasible )
Would it be on this thread or is there an easier way to be able to instantly check which phase we are on at any given time.


A public checklist would probably be a good idea. But however you guys would like to work it is fine with me. If and when it comes down to any personal information like paypal or addresses, I'd rather keep that in PMs. But for anything else, there's no reason not to share information/ideas. :)

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TGS...
I read the spec sheet, I did pick up and play an Eric Johnson not too long ago and I felt it is very similar to my CS 56 NOS in neck feel and all.


That's good to know. I wasn't really sure how to put it since it seemed harder than the clapton, softer than the 50's Classic Player and thinner/narrower than the JV.

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On the pickguard issue :?: :?:

I think I'd like to wait on that until I know what the finish of the guitar is going to be like.

53magnatone wrote:
Anyway, these are the parts I have to offer for this project.

(1) Vintage Fender style Gotoh's tuners, screws and ferrules of course.
( not staggered but I have deleted the string tree on my guitars so the Rivera harmonics can be achieved, with no tuning issues.)
(2) Straplock set (ready to mount )
(3) 3 Knobs in white/gold lettering Vol, Tone, Tone.
(4) 3 pickup covers in white
(5) Trem arm tip, and 3/5 way switch tip in white
(6) Rear Trem Cavity plate in white


Wow, that's just you? :lol: That's good to know about the strings tree for those tuners. I know it's kind of silly to be worried about one feature for one song, but it's just one of those little things which comes up often enough that I wish I had it.

What type of straplocks are they? I have a set of schaller's on another guitar which I could probably use. And I'm good as far as knobs go, I have a set of three white ones with gold lettering already on my Squier. But I have a set of purple and chrome ones that I've used previously on the Squier which I can put back on. I just took them off because I liked glancing at the numbers to tell how my controls were set.

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(8) I don't know if this would work but it is yours if you so wish.
Pickguard SSS but it is in Polished Chrome, if white is the preference I may ask a friend in a
shop if I could trade him even for a color change


Polished Chrome like a mirror? I've seen those before and I've got to admit they're pretty cool. I'm not sure how it would work with the rest of the guitar yet though. I just have to figure how what I'm going to do about finishing the body first.

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If my view of her band's videos are correct, their 'frontperson' is playing a PRS. :shock: ..(Orianthi influenced, perhaps?). Got some heavy competition there. :?
If my view of her band's videos are correct, their 'frontperson' is playing a PRS. :shock: ..(Orianthi influenced, perhaps?). Got some heavy competition there. :?


That is correct, it is a PRS. And not an SE either. I think the rest of my band have parents in a different tax bracket than I do. :lol: I don't think they're mega wealthy, but they have some wiggle room. That's how come they can have cars and drop $1000 or more on gear and studio recording sessions.

I don't think it's Orianthi influenced, she may not know who Orianthi is. She went to guitar center and played a ton of guitars, and the PRS was the one that felt and sounded the best to her. It's also light as a feather, I've never held a lighter electric guitar. I'm really glad she has the PRS and likes it, because that was a huge factor in her selling the Highway One to me for as cheap as she did.

Honestly, this is the first time I've realized that there's such a vast difference between the guitars we play. My main reason for wanting to put the Squier in semi-retirement is that I just can't think of anything else I can do to it to make it better. Everything which can be upgraded has been. Plus it's taken the brunt of my playing for years. It requires constant maintenance to keep everything in shape. And while all guitars need maintaining, I've had to jump through some unnecessary hoops.
But when I play the Squier, I'm not really thinking about the fact it's a Squier. I'm going to play the guitar I like and want to play no matter what the headstock says or how much it cost. :) I can be stubborn that way. :P

I feel like this thread is in some ways my "State of the Strat Address". :lol:

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quote="texasguitarslinger"] That is correct, it is a PRS. And not an SE either. I think the rest of my band have parents in a different tax bracket than I do. :lol: I don't think they're mega wealthy, but they have some wiggle room. That's how come they can have cars and drop $1000 or more on gear and studio recording sessions.


Been there, done that. That's how I wound up with my '58 Stratocaster fifty years ago. Bandmate of mine swapped out for a Jaguar and a Dual Showman amp the year they were introduced. Took his Strat and his Concert amp. Were my mainstays for the next decade. Both gone now. Long story. Have owned two PRS...great guitars...but the necks don't suit me. Perhaps the new NF's, but I haven't played one as yet. Four Strats and an LP in my arsenal presently. Will be interesting to see how this project turns out for you. Might be best if the group sends you a fruit salad of parts at their disposal and you pick out what works best. The rest can be swapped out for other things.

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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:03 am
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ZZDoc wrote:
If my view of her band's videos are correct, their 'frontperson' is playing a PRS. ..(Orianthi influenced, perhaps?). Got some heavy competition there.
If my view of her band's videos are correct, their 'frontperson' is playing a PRS. ..(Orianthi influenced, perhaps?). Got some heavy competition there.

Hey I haven't seen that video yet, I'm in the dark, can someone PM me the coordinates ?


What type of straplocks are they?
They are the Jim Dunlop, I used those types in my Les Paul and they are just as good as the Shaller models I use now. I just prefer the looks of the Shallers.
It's all about appearance isn't it :?: :lol: :?:


Polished Chrome like a mirror? I've seen those before and I've got to admit they're pretty cool. I'm not sure how it would work with the rest of the guitar yet though. I just have to figure how what I'm going to do about finishing the body first.

Yes it is, If I may suggest, instead of a nervewracking " You can go with this...or You can go with that " decision as to color scheme, I would wait to see the body and neck.
It will likely be nicely grained and therefore a clear finish highlighting the grain pattern is awesome and I don't see a lot of guitars in that mode lately. Way too many colors, sort of resembling a spilled Jelly-Belly bowl.
Not to mention that would be the Bonnie Raitt look. 8)
So if the decision is clear coat...Did you look at B-Heffner's wood pickguards? :idea:

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Hi TGS: did you get a PM from me? I'm not sure if I'm getting this PM system right - it seems to be stuck in my Outbox rather moving to Sent Messages.

If it hasn't worked, would you care to drop me a line, please?

Cheers - C

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Ceri wrote:
Hi TGS: did you get a PM from me? I'm not sure if I'm getting this PM system right - it seems to be stuck in my Outbox rather moving to Sent Messages.

If it hasn't worked, would you care to drop me a line, please?

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I just wanted to get a plan of action together before sending out the paypal info. I've been poking around guitar building sites and I think I've come up with something. :D

I'm thinking that the most important thing is the neck. I played the Highway One at a blues gig for the first time last night and honestly... I missed my Squier. The neck on that thing just doesn't feel like a normal Squier at all. And it's super comfortable, which is why I play it so much. It's just the rest of the guitar (especially the bridge) and the frets that are giving me trouble.

I came across this site, for USA Custom Guitars. http://www.usacustomguitars.com/
You can choose from hard V, medium V or soft V and you can choose how thick you want it and what nut width you'd like. Prices are comparable to Warmoth for something basic. Plus it seems like they have great costumer service, you can talk to them directly to place an order and ask any questions you want. I'm think of measuring the thickness of my Squier's neck, and asking if they can do that in a soft V. Or maybe someone who owns an EJ Strat could measure the thickness or that neck and I could use that as a reference.

For the body I've talked to my guitar tech and he said that making a neck heel contour is no big deal. He could even do it to the Highway One if I wanted. I'm thinking that I'll order an unfinished body from Allparts. If I order through work then I'll be able to get it at a discounted price. For the finish, I think I'll finish it myself. I think I could probably stain it if I practiced on scrap wood first. A clear coat may be something else I could do myself.

For the bridge, I was having some misgivings about the lefty tremolo. So if anyone has a bridge (lefty or righty) that they can spare, I'll just use that. I'm torn between string spacing, since the tighter import spacing seems to feel great to me for lead, but yet the EJ Strat was really comfortable too. So I'll just go with whichever is easiest to track down.

For pickups I think I'd like to use Ceri's American Standards. And 53magnatone's tuners and other parts (except I won't need the pickup covers if Ceri has some with the pickups, and I already have some knobs I could use).

As far as specs go, here's the simplified list. Only the essentials. :)

Bridge: Lefty or Righty, MIM or MIA (saddles and blocks can always be swapped out later)
Tuners: 53magnatone's Gotoh's
Neck: 12" radius, V profile, 40 mm nut width if import spacing is used, 42 mm if American string spacing is used
Frets: 22, 6100s (which is bigger than most bass frets! I have a feeling it would be bending heaven. :mrgreen: )
Body: Allparts Unfinished Strat (they currently have one-piece Ash bodies in stock for no extra charge)
Finish: DIY stained and/or clear coat.

Any hardware or electronics which we can't find here can be ordered discounted from Allparts.

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Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:39 pm
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I just wanted to get a plan of action together before sending out the paypal info. I've been poking around guitar building sites and I think I've come up with something. :D

I'm thinking that the most important thing is the neck. I played the Highway One at a blues gig for the first time last night and honestly... I missed my Squier. The neck on that thing just doesn't feel like a normal Squier at all. And it's super comfortable, which is why I play it so much. It's just the rest of the guitar (especially the bridge) and the frets that are giving me trouble.

I came across this site, for USA Custom Guitars. http://www.usacustomguitars.com/
You can choose from hard V, medium V or soft V and you can choose how thick you want it and what nut width you'd like. Prices are comparable to Warmoth for something basic. Plus it seems like they have great costumer service, you can talk to them directly to place an order and ask any questions you want. I'm think of measuring the thickness of my Squier's neck, and asking if they can do that in a soft V. Or maybe someone who owns an EJ Strat could measure the thickness or that neck and I could use that as a reference.

For the body I've talked to my guitar tech and he said that making a neck heel contour is no big deal. He could even do it to the Highway One if I wanted. I'm thinking that I'll order an unfinished body from Allparts. If I order through work then I'll be able to get it at a discounted price. For the finish, I think I'll finish it myself. I think I could probably stain it if I practiced on scrap wood first. A clear coat may be something else I could do myself.

For the bridge, I was having some misgivings about the lefty tremolo. So if anyone has a bridge (lefty or righty) that they can spare, I'll just use that. I'm torn between string spacing, since the tighter import spacing seems to feel great to me for lead, but yet the EJ Strat was really comfortable too. So I'll just go with whichever is easiest to track down.

For pickups I think I'd like to use Ceri's American Standards. And 53magnatone's tuners and other parts (except I won't need the pickup covers if Ceri has some with the pickups, and I already have some knobs I could use).

As far as specs go, here's the simplified list. Only the essentials. :)

Bridge: Lefty or Righty, MIM or MIA (saddles and blocks can always be swapped out later)
Tuners: 53magnatone's Gotoh's
Neck: 12" radius, V profile, 40 mm nut width if import spacing is used, 42 mm if American string spacing is used
Frets: 22, 6100s (which is bigger than most bass frets! I have a feeling it would be bending heaven. :mrgreen: )
Body: Allparts Unfinished Strat (they currently have one-piece Ash bodies in stock for no extra charge)
Finish: DIY stained and/or clear coat.

Any hardware or electronics which we can't find here can be ordered discounted from Allparts.



Sounds good TGS. Like all of us here at the Forum, I am ready for this awesome adventure to begin to actually take shape and form. Have fun, let us know when you are ready to accept money for those harder to finance purchaces.

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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:02 pm
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OK guys, I'm going to be sending everyone who PMed my paypal information in just a few minutes. Sorry it's taken me so long to get around to it, I've had an extremely busy weekend.

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There are may options.

You could learn to refret and do the jobs yourself, or pay a lot for someone to do it. Or, you could salvage parts from your guitar and build a custom job. Or, you could get a new neck similar to the one you like, or you can get a whole new or used guitar. Or, you could save up for a much more expensive guitar and make due of your orginal guitar.


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