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Post subject: Re: The Tone King.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:56 am
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Flat EQ on guitar amps is mid on full, treb and bass on zero.

If you download Duncans tonestack calculator. (it's a free program for designing eq circuits, but gives a accurate representation of how manufacturers set their base eq)

http://www.duncanamps.com/tsc/download.html

Click through the amp models along the upper left pane. You'll see they all come mid scooped. Some in the high mids, some in the low mids. The only real way to counteract that is to push the mids right up, whilst bringing the treble and bass right down.
That's as close as you'll get to flat eq on a guitar amp. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: The Tone King.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:02 am
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Flat EQ on guitar amps is mid on full, treb and bass on zero.


Seriously (not trying to be a wise $@!) ... how many guitarists out there, try amps with MIDS on full, Bass & Treb on ZERO?

From my own experience, talking to other folks who demo amps - a safe setting (For those that don't like 12:00), is by putting bass, mid, treb at 7 (about 2:00). Then of course - you get your midrange folks who want the mids cranked, and your metal folks who want the mids dropped - but 7 / 2:00 is probably an average setting to most players.

BTW - In regards to the quote above - when biasing the amp - the controls too are set much differently, but again, this differs greatly when actually playing the amp!


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Post subject: Re: The Tone King.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:05 am
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BTW -I do this for fun, it's hardly a job for me. Folks that work for magazines or reviewers representing retailers that do demos have a much different MO than I do when I'm cutting my own videos . I'm just sayin'



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Post subject: Re: The Tone King.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:30 am
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way cool jr wrote:
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BTW -I do this for fun, it's hardly a job for me. Folks that work for magazines or reviewers representing retailers that do demos have a much different MO than I do when I'm cutting my own videos . I'm just sayin'



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+1 If I only saw your video of the Egnater Rebel 20, I would have never even tried it out. Also Niki is 100% correct. A flat EQ response is a great place to start, not 12:00 not 7:00. When you start turning dials you'll actually hear what each control does and how much it colors the sound when you start from a flat response. Egnater actually gives you some starting points. Did you even look at the manual?

Fun is one thing, but some of these kids take it seriously. If you're going to do something, do it as well as you possibly can. Not something that may embarrass an amp or other equipment manufacturer. Everything you do seems geared for metal players even though some of the gear you review was never designed for metal.

I've been playing for over 40 years, not that that means a thing, but I've lost count of how many amps I've owned, borrowed or rented and I've always been able to use an amp to it's fullest potential. On an amp that's new to me, I usually start flat and dial the EQ from there.

Remember, not all musicians who look at your videos are 12 year olds.

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Post subject: Re: The Tone King.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:33 am
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The preamp eq has very little to do with biasing a amp. It will interact with the power amp section to a degree, not the bias though.
If you want to display a amp at it's most transparent (non coloured by the eq controls) then that is the way of it.

Yeah plenty of guitarists record like that or similar. It's one good way to get a clear driven sound without fizz. Also when mic'ing for stage use, a predominantly raised middle is a requirement.

It's worth trying out TTK, especialy for recording. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: The Tone King.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:09 am
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It's worth trying out TTK, especialy for recording.

All good. I always welcome the feedback, and appreciate the dialogue. Thank you.

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Fun is one thing, but some of these kids take it seriously. If you're going to do something, do it as well as you possibly can. Not something that may embarrass an amp or other equipment manufacturer. Everything you do seems geared for metal players even though some of the gear you review was never designed for metal.

Believe it or not, I do try to have fun, AND do it the best I can. Again, remember, this is a 1 man shop, doing the best I can. Today's stuff is better than yesterday's stuff. Always trying to do better. My goal is not to embarrass anyone, but that doesn't mean I'm going to kiss asses either. I'm not going to lie ... when I bought that Egnater amp, I felt oversold on the features. Didn't mean to disparage them on it, but that's how I felt. As TheToneKing.com grows, so does my approach w/ the reviews, and always, my goal is to keep it real, for all sorts of viewers. I have learned, that many times, it's not always about what I think - it's about what the viewer thinks, so sometimes (weather permitting) I share my opinion, and othertimes, I keep it very neutral for the viewer to make up their own mind. Lately, (2010 and beyond), since my audio quality is better - I can leave more up to the viewer. In the past (prior to 2010, I was probably a bit more descriptive).

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Remember, not all musicians who look at your videos are 12 year olds.

I kow :-). Actually, I know my demographics quite well. For those who care ... my demograpic leader is ages 45-54, w/ 2nd runner up ages 45-44. 96% male, 4% female. :-)

Thanks again guys. Always appreciate the dialogue. Am grateful!


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Post subject: Re: The Tone King.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:11 am
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Off topic - what Fender products would you like to see reviews on? (What's hot for 2011)? I hope to be getting the new Mustang head here soon for demo.


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Post subject: Re: The Tone King.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:21 am
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63supro wrote:
Asstone King is great fun.

Call me crazy, but I don't get the name calling?


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Post subject: Re: The Tone King.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:27 am
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How about some long term test reviews to see how these things hold up in real world conditions?

I didn't feel "oversold" on the Egnater Rebel 20 at all. Everything functions on mine as expected and then some. The tones I can get from the Egnater are amazing, but then again, I'm not a metal guy. The Rebel 20 has a lot of gain on tap but not in the metal territory but it was never meant to be a metal amp. Egnater has the metal thing covered in other amps. I found the way you tested that amp was kind of crank and go with no real understanding of what the amp is really capable of. Same thing with the Orange Tiny Terror. I don't even remember you running the Rebel 20 through Egnater cabs that are specifically voiced for the amp. Same thing with the Tiny Terror.

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Asstone King is great fun.

Call me crazy, but I don't get the name calling?


Not calling you a name, I don't even know your real name so it's a moot point. It's just the sounds you get out of the amps and guitars.
Asstone is what I call any fizzy distortion, scooped mid crappy metal guitar tone. I call lots of sounds asstone. Almost anyone who knows me here can tell you that.

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Post subject: Re: The Tone King.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:40 am
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63supro wrote:
How about some long term test reviews to see how these things hold up in real world conditions?

I didn't feel "oversold" on the Egnater Rebel 20 at all. Everything functions on mine as expected and then some. The tones I can get from the Egnater are amazing, but then again, I'm not a metal guy. The Rebel 20 has a lot of gain on tap but not in the metal territory but it was never meant to be a metal amp. Egnater has the metal thing covered in other amps. I found the way you tested that amp was kind of crank and go with no real understanding of what the amp is really capable of. Same thing with the Orange Tiny Terror. I don't even remember you running the Rebel 20 through Egnater cabs that are specifically voiced for the amp. Same thing with the Tiny Terror.

1) You're critiquing a video that was cut 2 years ago. Again, we're beating a dead horse on the difference between quality then,and quality today. I can't tell you how many people get hung up on videos that are 2 years old. Heck, I watch Guitar World demos and they too have evolved. People - please read the dates in the videos, and watch something newer before passing judgment.
2) At the time, the Rebel 20 was the first amp to market, and it did claim abilities to do Metal (http://egnateramps.com/Products/Rebel/R ... #secondary) ... I'm not even going to comment positively, or negatively, but if you review that link, you'll see there are 'metal' settings suggested by the MFR, which is contrary to your note above.

Do you record any videso online and post them online? I'd love to have a peak, if you do? If not - as folks always encourage me to try new stuff ... I'd encourage you to cut some videos. Seems like folks that post videos, have a greater appreciation than those who just watch the videos. Sometimes, to appreciate the work people put into what they do - you'll never know until you try it yourself.


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Post subject: Re: The Tone King.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:03 am
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You're talking about the Bedroom Metal setting? :lol: That's a little different than advertising it as a metal amp. No, I don't do video but have worked with videographers but they don't post on youtube, They do professional commercial video. I have been a professional photographer for quite some time and make a decent living. I don't feel a need to post anything on youtube. I was part of the Philly music scene in the 70's and 80's until family obligations slowed it down. I still play and gig from time to time.

No offense, but maybe you should go and take some audio and video classes to make your work shine. All the audio and video equipment in the world isn't wort a thing if you don't know how to use it. :wink:

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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:13 am
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No offense, but maybe you should go and take some audio and video classes to make your work shine. All the audio and video equipment in the world isn't wort a thing if you don't know how to use it. :wink:

No offense taken, however, I disagree with you on 'isn't worth a thing'. We are in a new world, where we aren't restricted by what's in a magazine, or on a television. The good news - for those folks that don't like what I do, there are hundreds of other options they can watch! And, being that there are so many options out there - it amazes me that people (hint hint) sometimes get hung up on criticizing those who (hint hint) put in the effort. Seriously - when was the last time you wrote a letter to your local television station for not liking what was on the channel. Most folks just keep clicking until they find something that suits them. But, don't think I don't get it. The power of the internet is to rate & comment, which is why I'm here. Tell you what - comment or rate one of the 'big boys aka the publications' and see how quickly they rush here to defend what they love to do! So, rather than a 'thank you' for being one of 'you all' ... I get love like 'isn't worth a thing'. Now I'm sad :-(


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Post subject: Re: The Tone King.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:13 am
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Hey I thought Guitar World got the review wrong too though. Atleast you didn't have a million mixers and outboard eq's to hide behind.

I'd like you to do a comparison test, between guitars into a clean amp, to show off pickup tonality.
I think that would be good. 50's, 54's, 57/62, and 69's. Just keep it simple to better show the sound of the pickup as opposed to the sound of the amp or playing. Because we do alter our playing to suit the sound coming from the speaker.

I think it could go on. Maybe later add N3, SCN, VH, HN, Texas Specials to another video, using the same settings to make the ultimate pickup comparison.

Maybe have a chat to Fender about it, cos theres roughly £1000 worth of pickups there in that lot. But the video would be a superb demonstration of those pickups. A area where people can easily get confused.
It would be a great tool to help people choose what's right for them.


Now that aside mr TTK< what are your personal feelings towards amplification? I think that would be interesting. Cos lets face it, hearing a amp and playing a amp are two very different things. You must have played loads so....whats the fave?

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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:28 am
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nikininja wrote:
... to show off pickup tonality ... Just keep it simple to better show the sound of the pickup ... Maybe later add N3, SCN, VH, HN, Texas Specials to another video, using the same settings to make the ultimate pickup comparison.

It's funny you should ask ... I am actually (work in progress) working on some video segments that would be very specific to pickups & strings. Stay tuned :-)

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Now that aside mr TTK< what are your personal feelings towards amplification? I think that would be interesting. Cos lets face it, hearing a amp and playing a amp are two very different things. You must have played loads so....whats the fave?

That's a great question, and I'm not sure how to answer. I truly believe each amp is able to hold it's own merrit in some way, shape or form. Here's my rough-shot .02 on a few amps that I enjoy playing :
- ENGL - if you have the budget, and want massive, bone crushing gain - look no further.
- Mesa Dual Rec - Probably one of my fav settings is the 'Vintage' setting, which sings like few other amps out there. I own a Trem-o-verb, and LOVE the tones from it!
- Orange Rockerverb - if you like mids, in an amp that is full of syruppy (is that a word?) tones, it's a good one to have! Nothing else sounds like it.
- Randall ... I've always been a fan, great amps, versatile (Swiss-Army like), very affordable! And, metal fo sho!
- Marshall ... I sometimes play w/ a local band, and I must say -Marshalls cut through (The way you'd expect them to). evenly balanced, sounds GREAT in a live setting.
- Jet City - is basically an imported Soldano, also cuts through like a Marshall (Remember, Soldano made his claim to fame on hot rodding Marshalls) ... so if you seek hot rodded Marshall tones in an affordable package, the JCA may be the way to go.
- Carvin ... like Randall, I've been a long time fan of Carvin. Made in the USA, rock solid, versatile in it's abilities (From ENGL style gain to crystal cleans), and VERY affordable!
- Line 6 - IMO, king of modeling, and like my videos, their products keep getting better & better every day! Truly for the musician that want's a little bit of everyting! (I've had my Spider Valve set up EXACTLY like a 5150!!!). In fact, I get rquests every day from folks wanting me to give them the Spider Valve settings to match some of the other amps in my line-up. Whereas other amps are typically 1 trick ponies, the L6 gets you a bit of everything, w/ pretty good accuracy!
- Bugera - great amps, for a GREAT price ... they have really taken to the metal community with their 333XL, 6260 (which has 5150 style gain), and now the TriRec, 1990 (take on the Marshall JCM900, etc.). For someone on a budget, wanting something new in their arsenal of amps ... they're a great choice.

So ... the bottom line ... which is my fav? Tough to say, b/c I own them all. If I had to sell all but one ... I'd probably keep the ones that are most valued (like my JCM800), not because it's the best sounding, but it's a staple in rock n roll history. When you plug into a JCM800, sometimes you just knod, and say, ah ha ... now I get it!


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