Lookin at amps.... decisions decisions.....

cherokee747 · **Posted:** Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:45 am

nikininja wrote:

FSJB
I can't recall ever seeing Hendrix go into a bassamp, though I won't naysay it, he'd have tried anything.
The one thing about plexi's, infact all Marshall valve guitar amps to a certain extent. Is that when using them at volume the eq controls become little more than decoration.

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It's the one thing I love most about em!

Niki, I believe he's referring to a Superbass Plexi. Just a thought...........Mike

nikininja · **Posted:** Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:54 am

Mike, I know that is what FSJB was referring to. I've just never seen a picture of Hendrix or Redding using them.
Like I said previous, it wouldn't suprise me if he did. Lemmy roadied for him for awhile and has been a unwavering user of the SuperBass for all his career.

cherokee747 · **Posted:** Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:03 am

fsjb wrote:

When Hendrix met Jim Marshall they redesigned some of the components in the Marshall head. One or the main changes was a transformer that gave it more of a lower tone than the standard 100 head at the time. It wasn't a bass head, but it was closer to a bass head than the normal std. 100 heads. Some other hardware was changed also. Bass settings were one of Hendrix's little known control settings, along with the head mods. He always hinted around on interviews back then about other players having that tinny or real high sound. Bass frequencies drove the Hendrix sound. It wasn't unusual for lead players to use Fender Bassman Amps.

I agree on the Fender Bassman. I've had my 65 since the 70's. Great little tone monster.............. :wink:

nikininja · **Posted:** Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:30 am

First time I've ever seen that statement about factory modded Plexi's for Hendrix FSJB. Where did you get such info?

The one thing Plexi's have never lacked is bass. Get that volume above 7 and the bass goes through the roof to the point that you have to zero the bass control to have a usable amp. All down to that eq before preamp config'. As far as I'm aware Marshall just bought their transformers from Dagnall or Drake in bulk and slapped em in.

cherokee747 · **Posted:** Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:02 am

nikininja wrote:

First time I've ever seen that statement about factory modded Plexi's for Hendrix FSJB. Where did you get such info?

The one thing Plexi's have never lacked is bass. Get that volume above 7 and the bass goes through the roof to the point that you have to zero the bass control to have a usable amp. All down to that eq before preamp config'. As far as I'm aware Marshall just bought their transformers from Dagnall or Drake in bulk and slapped em in.

News to me too..........

53magnatone · **Posted:** Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:03 am

63supro wrote:

53magnatone wrote:

63supro wrote:

Do your overdrive with a pedal and get the Deluxe Reverb. The Tiny Terror is okay but king of a one trick pony with not a lot of headroom. Or possibly check out the Egnater Tweaker, Rebel 20 or Jet City has a nice 20 watter that will leave you some cash for a reverb pedal. Blues Jrs still seem to have some reliability and heat related tube issues as well as some of the other HRD series amps. The DRRI is a well built professional quality amp that should last you a long time.

I have not had any problem with my Black and Tan HRD ( limited edition Sam Ash ) since I bought it 1-1/2 years ago. As for the Blues Junior (tweed) I have not heard anyone have heat issues. This is of course based on the fact that I only know of 5 people who have them, so it depends.
As in the past I always suspect that oftentimes Amp issues are due to mishandling and abuse, Yes I understand that we would all like them to be invincible but they are circuits, tubes and speakers made from plastic, metal,paper and glass parts.
Amps have never reacted well to bouncing around, let alone being fired up when cold, left in the van where the temp is 30-40 degrees F and then brought in to a 65-70 degree F hall and not left to acclimate.
I myself get very cranky under those conditions :wink:

The HRD series amps do what they do due to poor design and cheap components. I never abused mine and had a ton of problems with it. I also know many others who have too. The Blues Jrs. are biased really hot from the factory. The HRDlx usually has the 5 watt power resistors and cold solder joints from heating and cooling giving problems eventually. I've been handling and gigging my amps the same way for over 40 years and the HRDlx was the first one to give me problems. The boards in these things are thin, fragile and single sided. There lies many of the problems. Hopefully the HRD III series will be better. Just a little info for you. The limited edition amps you bought are just a speaker and cosmetic changes and nothing more. The thin boards and cheap components are the same as any other HRD series amp.

I'm aware that the Special Edition is not a Ferrari in Subaru clothing, but the reason I bought that particular version was that it was $150.00 less than the plain jane black HRD.
Why didn't really matter since had it been in red or polka dots, I still would have bought the less expensive one.
As far as Limited Edition Value :wink:

I find it rather comical that such a large segment of the consumer market buy guitars or/and amps as investment vehicles according to their perceived increase in value over time.
These are all in the category of durable goods. Truly vintage ( Before 1960 ) and truly valuable instruments are few and difficult to find for a quantifiable cost.
The cost or value of an instrument is meaningless if that is instrument was bought as an investment and only brought out of it's case to be looked at but rarely played.
Sooner or later, one day arrives where none of us can take anything with us, so my outlook on all this is " buy it today to enjoy playing it today" not in the vain hope that it perhaps may become tomorrow's golden goose.

cherokee747 · **Posted:** Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:11 pm

fsjb wrote:

I saw the info a few years ago in more full detail, (specs to the max.). It is also in part on the Marshall site dealing with the signature Super 100JH.

Good info to know. I've got a Vintage Modern cab with the G12C's found in the Hendrix cabs. I love the sound of greenbacks..........Mike

nikininja · **Posted:** Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:37 pm

Ah ok, solved it.

It wasn't a transformer change or mod though. It was a tone capacitor and resistor change.

If you look at this pdf. The relevant info is on page 3 in blue writing.
http://www.marshallamps.com/downloads/files/hendrix_gp_review.pdf

Anyways I know a couple of amp designers from Carlsbro. One worked extensively on Hendrix's amps (now for John Wood Transformers, perhaps that could be the source of confusion). I'll plug him for info when I can.

Floyd_The_Barber · **Posted:** Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:50 pm

i tried out both amps today with my dean and no pedals but my big muff..... the deluxe reverb won, as the orange didnt handle the big muff to well (broke up to easily) and the deluxe got the most beautiful tone ive ever heard from it

nikininja · **Posted:** Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:04 pm

fsjb wrote:

Sorry about the confusion, It's been a while since I read the specs on it.

Yeah no worries mate, we all forget stuff. Still thankyou I found out something I didn't know. Because you set me after it. So infact theres absolutely no need to apologize at all.

Anyways, midweek I should be seeing one of the people mentioned. So hopefully I'll find out the exact truth.

TimDrakeMusic · **Posted:** Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:59 pm

Floyd_The_Barber wrote:

i tried out both amps today with my dean and no pedals but my big muff..... the deluxe reverb won, as the orange didnt handle the big muff to well (broke up to easily) and the deluxe got the most beautiful tone ive ever heard from it

So does this mean you now have a new toy to play with?

Floyd_The_Barber · **Posted:** Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:02 am

TimDrakeMusic wrote:

Floyd_The_Barber wrote:

i tried out both amps today with my dean and no pedals but my big muff..... the deluxe reverb won, as the orange didnt handle the big muff to well (broke up to easily) and the deluxe got the most beautiful tone ive ever heard from it

So does this mean you now have a new toy to play with?

i will once i sell my current amp, which should be within the next week or so :mrgreen:

TimDrakeMusic · **Posted:** Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:59 am

Nice! You most certainly can't go wrong with a Deluxe Reverb!

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