most deffenety, Nirvana expanded it, but did NOT start it. I know Mudhoney flowed it and the Sex Pistols kindov arranged it, but nobody can state who started it. I'ts kind of like asking who started clalssic rock. It just evolved over time.

how the hell did you work the sex pistols into grunge....... they were A) several years before it and B) more like glam punk, and were fast and not to much distortion

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Favorite bands:

Melvins
The Jesus Lizard
Cows
Big Business
R***man
Minutemen
Flight
Minor Threat
Big Black
Shellac
Karp
Scratch Acid
Wipers
Pixies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtxj7uaunJ8
that has a lot of grunge elements. a real lot

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riley

I agree with you Bros, AIC=metal+rock and the label 'grunge' diminishes that influence on music in the early 90s. When I listen to rock music from that era, all included Offspring, Soul Asylum, Collective Soul, Third Eye Blind, Weezer, Sublime, Veruca Salt, White Zombie, No Doubt, Goo Goo Dolls, too many great bands with great songs as you listen like you would have back then the subtle differences that the rock journalists tried so hard to emphasize make the grunge label sillier if that is possible. There was just a whole bunch of talented people creating music at that time and if I remember right it was all good. I just wish I could remember more bands from the 90-95 era.

here's one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oM8QXdp ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCHNL3-F ... re=related

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you can save the world with your guitar one love song at a time it's just better, more fun, easier with a fender solid body electric guitar or electric bass guitar.

I was there...Stationed at fort Lewis from '86 to '93 and my girlfreind at the time worked in Radio in Seattle....

The heavy hitters in the Seattle scene at the time were all Green River spin-offs - Mother Love Bone and Mudhoney (and later, Pearl Jam), and Soundgarden and Alice...the guys from Nirvana were definitely NOT a part of the Seattle scene.

Mark Arm from Mudhoney came up with the "grunge" term, I think.

All that aside...the correct answer is, of course, BLACK SABBATH.

Yawn

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10-4 good buddy, over and out!

soundgarden, pearl jam and aic aren't grunge, they just got lumped in the category as they were from Seattle. Stone temple pilots got lumped in as they were just a rock band that came out in when grunge was popular. Soundgarden, pearl jam and aic are heavy rock bands as the bands themselves have said. STP are a rock band.
Mudhoney and Nirvana were grunge and sound nothing like the previous mentioned bands.
Its like saying because the Beatles were the first proper pop band to go globally famous, everything from England is pop. Unfortunately that's not the case.

Food for thought.

That's my point...contrary to popular belief, "Grunge" does not mean "Seattle Sound".

The soundtrack of my time in the Pacific NW (before it became a dot-com refugee camp full of annoying hipsters) will always be Mother Love Bone, Soundgarden and Alice (and a lot of house and techno because of my girl...another story). It was rain and fog-soaked hard rock/metal, not neo-punk.

I never even heard of Nirvana until '91 or so, and only then after spending some time with some folks in Olympia.

nirvana acknowledged this themselves.... theres an interview where the interviewer asks about AiC, Soundgarden, etc. and kurt says smoething like nirvanas plays with mudhoney, tad, etc and that they are in fact 2 different scenes.... again, i dont remember his exact words but its something to that effect

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Favorite bands:

Melvins
The Jesus Lizard
Cows
Big Business
R***man
Minutemen
Flight
Minor Threat
Big Black
Shellac
Karp
Scratch Acid
Wipers
Pixies

exactly. mind you though, i wouldn't consider nirvana's nevermind to be grunge. to polished. thats just my opinion though

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riley

great album nonetheless, just not nearly as good as their other recordings.... hell my favorite song by them never got an official release until with the lights out....


p.s. want some opinions on this, real or fake? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtR3zbBcRis

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Favorite bands:

Melvins
The Jesus Lizard
Cows
Big Business
R***man
Minutemen
Flight
Minor Threat
Big Black
Shellac
Karp
Scratch Acid
Wipers
Pixies

fail attempt at nirvana. the vocals sound like kurts though, kinda

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riley

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_indie_rock
"the legendary Kim Salmon, who formed the Scientists, an influence on bands such as Mudhoney and The Jesus Lizard. Kim Salmon claims to have been the first person to use the term grunge to describe music. "

Australian musician Kim Salmon first described his music as 'grunge' in the early 80's, in exasperation at the need to label and define sub-sub-genres. His band The Scientists were named as an influence by many of those Seattle bands, including Mudhoney and Nirvana. He later went on to form perhaps the dirtiest cowyboy-swamp band ever, The Beasts Of Bourbon.

Now I'm not saying he invented Grunge, but he did make music that was one of the elements feeding into that Seattle sound.
Once you've heard the man with a Telecaster and a Rat pedal there's no turning back!

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"...Compared to the flowers and the birds and the trees, I am an Apeman."

Grunge is just a mainstream name for punk rock /alternative music IMO.



Husker Du had a big influence on many bands that came out in the era 1986-1994 for sure .

wondering why James Gang with Joe Walsh wasn't noted.

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you can save the world with your guitar one love song at a time it's just better, more fun, easier with a fender solid body electric guitar or electric bass guitar.