Im looking at multi effects pedals under $100 and so far I've boiled it down to the DeltaLab DGFX1 Guitar Multi Effects Pedal (http://www.guitarcenter.com/DeltaLab-DG ... 1437795.gc) and the Behringer X V-Amp Guitar Multi Effects Pedal (http://www.guitarcenter.com/Behringer-X ... 1145423.gc). So which is better?

avoid multi effects if possible

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Especially avoid Berhinger and Guitar Center's house brand Delta Labs.

Your Mustang amp already has 24 or so effects built into the amp - why not use them??? Those cheapo multi-effects you mention might just sound worse than the effects already in your amp.

Save up for the Small Clone and fuzz you are asking about in your other thread. Or find those pedals used and buy them for half the price. I struggled with cheapo multi-effects for years and wasted lots of money when I started playing guitar and don't want anyone else going down that same path

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Line 6 PODs are awesome. I use a POD 2.0 with my HotRod DeVille and have no complaints. I messed with the DigiTech stuff and have one for my bass rig because I like having the tuner but budget gear will only make you happy for a short time.

i can contradict this post.

the line 6 sounded corny to me..... just save up for a small clone, and then find the big muff model of your liking and your good to go

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Or do what I did and look for a used Digitech RP series multi-effect.
Found a RP-250 for $40 at GC last Spring. New, you're talking $150 or so street-price.
I didn't like the Deltalabs and I tried a Boss, meh... The Digitech was best all around. Will it beat out individual pedals? No. But for short money $40-50 and a lot of fun, it's worth it.

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i cant agree more with thew advice to aviod multi effects pedals.
i use to do the rack gear thing a long time ago. i still wasnt ever really happy with anything.
pedals can be swapped out if ya dont like one or two w/o any ill effect on your tone. multi, when one goes your screwed.
i will say that the GC deltalabs isnt a bad deal. they arent top of the line but they will get you buy on the cheap until you upgrade one by one.
i havent heard a bad one really, but they dont compare to what i have myself. they are a good entry level pedal thats build strong and will last.
i still have one on my board because i just dont want to replace it.
it works well and does its job

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"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

Ok to be objective here, cos it strikes me that Mr Creep is a bit new to the world of effects. Multi effects are ok if used in the correct circumstance, with a good bit of care. Despite being a bit of a pedal addict, I'll even go as far as to say they surpass single pedals for the fella who wants to grab his guitar, amp, box, get out the door, get to rehearshall, plug in and go.

Not planning on playing the SuperBowl any time soon are we Mr Creep?

In the likely event that you're not, I'll go with this. Multi effects pedals in the lower price ranges are a much the muchness. Theres no real difference between them. There's not room for a manufacturer to stray beyond the industry accepted standard in XXX price bracket. The market is so competitive that making a muck up like that would end you, no matter how big the company.

As for suggestions, cos I've used a few of em over the years.

For effects
Zoom, great distortions, rubbish control of eq settings, overly emphasised modulation effects (chorus/flange etc) good delays and usable quirky effects like the step filter/autosynthwah.

Digitech, not so good distortions, better eq with better controls, better modulation effects. Overpowering delays and reverbs.

Use multieffects if you have a solidstate amp that does a good clean sound.

Amp modellers I've only tried the PODV2 and the Behringer V-amp2. Both were much the same except the amp models. The Behringer was great for clean sounds, the pod good for high gain sounds.
They both used similar controls/user interface.
Use a amp modeller if your amp has a effects loop. Just plug the guitar into the modeller's input. Plug the modellers output into the effects return of the amp. Doing this stops the amps eq and gain getting in the way of the modeller making it respond much more like a real amp would. It also stops that horrible hifi sound you hear from amp modellers that are plugged into the instrument input of amps.
I gigged both my Behringer and POD at the same time for a good 8 months. With the Behringer doing clean sounds and the POD doing dirty.
Never had any problems.
I also gigged a few old zoom units into a marshall for a good 7 years before that, somewhat constantly. Getting on for 100-120 gigs a year.

Their decent tools for the guy who doesnt want to spend a fortune. Your not going to sound like the illicit love child of Steve Vai and Dave Gilmour because of them. You'll happily play to a crowd in a pub with em though.

One word of warning when using either and your gigs are liable to get rough. Keep the effects box offstage or on your amp. Stop them pesky divers stamping on it. You wouldn't believe how hard it is to find the right patch after some lardy has just jumped all over the thing and the rest of the band are 16 bars into the next song.

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I saw this post just as I was looking at a Line 6 and Digitech product...a little more than the $100 range but I digress...I am not sure why I keep looking at these product advice posts. Some like the products and others don't. Just try them out and see which one you like better.

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well i do like posts like this. sure it always boils down to "try it yourself", but
usually in posts like this you get some pro/con, and these help you out by showing you some things to look for while you demo the product. in quick music store demos theres always something you forgot to try or didnt know you could do.
so its posts like these that i hope to find things that will help me in my own demo time.

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"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

RP70!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you want simple and dependable look at a Boss ME-70. Like with most multi efects units I just ignore the cheesy factory patches and make my own. If you are a gigging musician these things are made for the road, they are built like a tank, but like the man said "try it before you buy it".

I plugged an Ampworks modeling processor into "power amp in" on by BDRI and blew the fuse and power tubes. I plugged a Digitech rp50 into the front of my Pignose g40 and blew the power tubes. Twice. Any idea why? I was wanting to try the GT 6L6 GEs that Supro recommended anyway.

I have an older Digitech RP-1 that I've had for many years. I think it sounds great, and it has an incredible amount amount of combinations and possibilities. I use it with my guitar and sometimes my bass.

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Not a clue on the BDRI is not a amp I'm familiar with.
On the pignose I just can't think why that would happen through the front end of the amp. The power section of the amp should be well protected by the pre amp section.

Being as though the problem occured on two seperate amps, could the problem be the output of the RP70?