Why, on what do you base that?
The fact that they wrote protest songs?

they went out of the norm, they wrote protest songs, they "defied" their own racial heritage, and really they were some of the first to say $@!& You through music in a very modest way

punk is a genre. deny this all you want with things like "ITZ T3H WAI Y00 THINK MAAAN" and whatnot, but it is. they werent punk.

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Melvins
The Jesus Lizard
Cows
Big Business
R***man
Minutemen
Flight
Minor Threat
Big Black
Shellac
Karp
Scratch Acid
Wipers
Pixies

Yeah but protest lyrics don't define punk. Infact I think the politico bands are the worse side of punk. It's the thing that keeps rubbish like AntiPasti going, or the terminaly dull Billy Bragg being labeled as punk. My word, what about all them rubbish straightedge bands of the early 80's. Once you got past the speed and aggression, there was nothing of value left. I think the only band to ever make a valid political comment whilst maintaining good songwriting and a sense of fun (albeit jaded) were the Dead Kennedy's. And look what happend to them. Jello turned into a money hungry thief. The rest of em flog their name to anything going.
The other thing is that should that be a definition of punk, you'll find it to be the oldest form of music around. By far predating those you mention. The prodestant/Catholic protest song of the 1600's being one example. Any number of sea chanties or folk songs from right back into the dark ages being another. No doubt if you look you could find examples from the Israelites exodus from Egypt.
I can definitely see a relationship between cottonfield blues and punk, though there distant cousins at best. Some bloke grabs whatever and knocks out a tune moaning about how hard done by he is.
But then again, everything we listen to these days was born from that.
Lyricaly the root of punk goes back to the dawn of time. Someones always had something to bellyache about.
Musicaly I really can't see much before the Kinks. Them choppy punchy rhythms.

Nice reading your thoughts on it though mate. Thankyou.

my war's a bloody awesome album. some of JFA's stuff is a bit to fast for me.

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true, the kinks added the charge behind the sound but the whole rebellious thing starts way back, punk rock means freedom and freedom can be traced way back, but damn were off topic

Yeah I can definitely see that. Whilst you have a parent telling a kid what to do, you'll have a kid somewhere thinking 'no way'.

I believe we can both see eye to I when i say punk ideology,definition, and spirit has no origin, but hey im just gonna be punk about it and say i dont give a $@!& who started it

for me they are pop band with punk influences.

cheers

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$@!& no, not at all.

They are a goddamn mainstream mtv/hot topic band with no ties to any scene. No sense of the DIY asthetic. You want punk rock, look for Propagandhi, Defiance OH, Cobra Skulls, Rumspringer, Hamburger Help Me, and a thousand other bands that are 100% independent, support local acts, support the scene, and keep it totally real.

Green day are milloinaires who write bland pop rock. They're for kids who are too scared to listen to Bad Religion. It's carefully crafted, cookie-cutter garbage for suburban kids.

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Green Day are as punk as I resemble Kiera Knightley.

Pop $@!&.

CC

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Feel any more hardcore now?

+1 Exactly right. It's middle class kid pop. Best way of putting it.

CC

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Zenith Type-17
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all the rich "ima go cut myself cuz daddy wont buy me a new mercedes " emo kids LOOOOVE greenday... i despise those kids with great intensity

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Favorite bands:

Melvins
The Jesus Lizard
Cows
Big Business
R***man
Minutemen
Flight
Minor Threat
Big Black
Shellac
Karp
Scratch Acid
Wipers
Pixies

It's not about being hardcore. This is what most people don't seem to understand about punk rock. There isn't a punk sound. You go to a punk show and you will see 10 bands with 10 diffrent sounds. It's a family, it's a feeling. Punk rock, when done well, should make you feel like you did when you first saw pictures of naked ladies. It should circumvent your mind with the cavalier glee of a drunken streaker and immediately grab you by the viscera you didn't know you had. It should make your entire automatic nervous system twitch from the neuroexcitory Perfume that arises when taboos are being stomped like stinkhorns into the ground. It's raw, it's real, it's truth. It CAN NOT be fabricated.

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