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Not so fast Binky Boy. First, please provide a credible link for you assertion.
Second, the issue really isn't so much whether he would have got us out of Vietnam but rather would he have escalated the U.S. involvement in the war like Johnson did.


Do your own research Binky Boy, JFK did say that "pulling out of Vietnam was not an option because all the countries surrounding Vietnam would fall victim to Communism" and this is well known. You do the search for the sound clip and you will find it. I will prvide nothing for you, but I do know my comment is accurate. Not to mention the JFK DID ramp up troop presence, he sent in more Green Berets and he is the one that authorized the use of Agent Orange. Not going to bother getting into an argument with you about it, you will disagree even with fact. You can "take it into account" and presume what you like, I am dealing with his own comments and facts.

And NO, there is NO such thing as a good Progressive.

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belly65 wrote:

Not so fast Binky Boy. First, please provide a credible link for you assertion.
Second, the issue really isn't so much whether he would have got us out of Vietnam but rather would he have escalated the U.S. involvement in the war like Johnson did.


Do your own research Binky Boy, JFK did say that "pulling out of Vietnam was not an option because all the countries surrounding Vietnam would fall victim to Communism" and this is well known. You do the search for the sound clip and you will find it. I will prvide nothing for you, but I do know my comment is accurate. Not to mention the JFK DID ramp up troop presence, he sent in more Green Berets and he is the one that authorized the use of Agent Orange. Not going to bother getting into an argument with you about it, you will disagree even with fact. You can "take it into account" and presume what you like, I am dealing with his own comments and facts.

And NO, there is NO such thing as a good Progressive.


Your particular type of analysis or lack thereof is the province of simpletons and nincompoops.


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After all JFK was going to keep us in Vietnam, not withdraw, he said so himself.


Not so fast Binky Boy. First, please provide a credible link for you assertion.
Second, the issue really isn't so much whether he would have got us out of Vietnam but rather would he have escalated the U.S. involvement in the war like Johnson did. Also, you would need to take into account the time and context in which JFK made statements about his administration's plans for Vietnam to really determine that if he had lived would he have kept the U.S. in Vietnam.

Also, i hope you were joking when you stated that there is no such thing as a good Progressive.

If it wasn't a joke then the statement really illustrates your ignorance.



4 minutes in. (3:55 to be exact)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1_5q_fA718&NR=1


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cvilleira wrote:
Progressive=liberal

Progressive=Group favoring social reform

Progressive=Bankrupt country thru social programs

Progressive=Redistribute wealth

Progressive=Tells people separation of Church and State is in Constitution (Its Not)

Progressive=Support those who would kill you because you dislike those who protect you (example barbara boxer, henry waxmen) this could be underlying in some and not in others.

Progressive=We no whats good for all even when they disagree


Inbreeding is a horrible thing.


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4 minutes in. (3:55 to be exact)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1_5q_fA718&NR=1


exactly the comments by JFK I was referring to. thanks for posting.

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belly65 wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
Progressive=liberal

Progressive=Group favoring social reform

Progressive=Bankrupt country thru social programs

Progressive=Redistribute wealth

Progressive=Tells people separation of Church and State is in Constitution (Its Not)

Progressive=Support those who would kill you because you dislike those who protect you (example barbara boxer, henry waxmen) this could be underlying in some and not in others.

Progressive=We no whats good for all even when they disagree


Inbreeding is a horrible thing.


Liberal style come back=insult or call names when otherwise no intelligence is available by person making the comeback. Also shows lack of proper upbringing.
Which may be do to inbreeding of two making for intellectually defective liberal.

Nothing will ever change there thoughts do to impossibility to do so.

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BlackCatBone wrote:
captainc wrote:
4 minutes in. (3:55 to be exact)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1_5q_fA718&NR=1


exactly the comments by JFK I was referring to. thanks for posting.


On that date and time and in the context of the tv that is what he said...but I guess in your world people never change their minds.


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cvilleira wrote:
belly65 wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
Progressive=liberal

Progressive=liberal

Progressive=Group favoring social reform

Progressive=Bankrupt country thru social programs

Progressive=Redistribute wealth

Progressive=Tells people separation of Church and State is in Constitution (Its Not)

Progressive=Support those who would kill you because you dislike those who protect you (example barbara boxer, henry waxmen) this could be underlying in some and not in others.

Progressive=We no whats good for all even when they disagree


Inbreeding is a horrible thing.


Liberal style come back=insult or call names when otherwise no intelligence is available by person making the comeback. Also shows lack of proper upbringing.
Which may be do to inbreeding of two making for intellectually defective liberal.

Nothing will ever change there thoughts do to impossibility to do so.



Sorry the inbreeding joke hit a nerve.

Conservative=stale

Conservative= staying with old failed policies

Conservative=Bankrupt the Country by giving tax breaks to the wealthy

Conservative=Destroying the middle class

Conservative=A secret wish to establish a christian theocracy

Conservative=govern by playing on peoples fears
Conservative=Don't you just love Attila the Hun...


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c'mon now. this is the kind of stuff that is going to get a few of us in trouble and i am just as guilty. i am passionate about politics and i like hearing BOTH views from folks like me and not some talking head. ( i do however like the talking heads music) it's the personal stuff.
state your opinion and move on. leave the name calling out. i got a little fired up earlier and i regret it now. this forum is too good to infect it with political topics like this.
i think if we play nice we will be able to get away with milder, more mature discussions about politics. i really can't believe they allow it all.
i just see this one getting really ugly. but, who cares what i think?


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belly65 wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
belly65 wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
Progressive=liberal

Progressive=liberal

Progressive=Group favoring social reform

Progressive=Bankrupt country thru social programs

Progressive=Redistribute wealth

Progressive=Tells people separation of Church and State is in Constitution (Its Not)

Progressive=Support those who would kill you because you dislike those who protect you (example barbara boxer, henry waxmen) this could be underlying in some and not in others.

Progressive=We no whats good for all even when they disagree


Inbreeding is a horrible thing.


Liberal style come back=insult or call names when otherwise no intelligence is available by person making the comeback. Also shows lack of proper upbringing.
Which may be do to inbreeding of two making for intellectually defective liberal.

Nothing will ever change there thoughts do to impossibility to do so.



Sorry the inbreeding joke hit a nerve.

Conservative=stale

Conservative= staying with old failed policies

Conservative=Bankrupt the Country by giving tax breaks to the wealthy

Conservative=Destroying the middle class

Conservative=A secret wish to establish a christian theocracy

Conservative=govern by playing on peoples fears
Conservative=Don't you just love Attila the Hun...
Used to liberals calling everyone that don't agree with them names Only defense they have most times because theres little record of success to be raised by them. How much better off are we as a generation then our parents since social progressiveness has brought down religion and introduced social programs? We are the first generation to be worst off then our parents!!!! When did that fall start happening? What changes correspond to the fall? CONSTITUTIONALLY and SOCIALLY Just look at the countries history. Things have gotten better for the majority since the beginning, slow at times with bumps here and there but recent past has been steady decline for the majority. The generation of love all, all are equal, no one should be better off then any one else, the Constitution is a breathing document, addition of social and welfare programs well that generation have not succeeded. The majority are not better off because all those things have caused the reverse effect to them. Look around it can not be denied. The more poor now, high crime rates no matter they say. We cry about thousand getting kidded in Iraq but have fail to do anything about the tens off thousands that will be murder in our own country this year alone. Police can't stop someone who fits a profile thats not right,there not allowed to ask if you a citizen. The Social progressives of this generation have failed and want to keep adding failure out of the want of being fair to all.
What happened to the beliefs of the greatest generation, how did it get twisted?

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cvilleira wrote:
belly65 wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
belly65 wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
Progressive=liberal

Progressive=liberal

Progressive=Group favoring social reform

Progressive=Bankrupt country thru social programs

Progressive=Redistribute wealth

Progressive=Tells people separation of Church and State is in Constitution (Its Not)

Progressive=Support those who would kill you because you dislike those who protect you (example barbara boxer, henry waxmen) this could be underlying in some and not in others.

Progressive=We no whats good for all even when they disagree


Inbreeding is a horrible thing.


Liberal style come back=insult or call names when otherwise no intelligence is available by person making the comeback. Also shows lack of proper upbringing.
Which may be do to inbreeding of two making for intellectually defective liberal.

Nothing will ever change there thoughts do to impossibility to do so.



Sorry the inbreeding joke hit a nerve.

Conservative=stale

Conservative= staying with old failed policies

Conservative=Bankrupt the Country by giving tax breaks to the wealthy

Conservative=Destroying the middle class

Conservative=A secret wish to establish a christian theocracy

Conservative=govern by playing on peoples fears
Conservative=Don't you just love Attila the Hun...
Used to liberals calling everyone that don't agree with them names Only defense they have most times because theres little record of success to be raised by them. How much better off are we as a generation then our parents since social progressiveness has brought down religion and introduced social programs? We are the first generation to be worst off then our parents!!!! When did that fall start happening? What changes correspond to the fall? CONSTITUTIONALLY and SOCIALLY Just look at the countries history. Things have gotten better for the majority since the beginning, slow at times with bumps here and there but recent past has been steady decline for the majority. The generation of love all, all are equal, no one should be better off then any one else, the Constitution is a breathing document, addition of social and welfare programs well that generation have not succeeded. The majority are not better off because all those things have caused the reverse effect to them. Look around it can not be denied. The more poor now, high crime rates no matter they say. We cry about thousand getting kidded in Iraq but have fail to do anything about the tens off thousands that will be murder in our own country this year alone. Police can't stop someone who fits a profile thats not right,there not allowed to ask if you a citizen. The Social progressives of this generation have failed and want to keep adding failure out of the want of being fair to all.
What happened to the beliefs of the greatest generation, how did it get twisted?


Dude...don't forget to take a breath.

Your post is filled with many inaccuracies but i don't have time to mention them all.

First, it was the progressive commie pinko hippie Oliver Wendall Holmes that said in 1914 that the Constitution is a living breathing document.

Second, crime rates are actually lower today than they have been during most of our countries history.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 61,00.html


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"The Constitution is a living breathing document"


Here's Mike Huckabuck talking about the Constitution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBFzYgfS5bU


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cvilleira wrote:
belly65 wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
belly65 wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
Progressive=liberal

Progressive=liberal

Progressive=Group favoring social reform

Progressive=Bankrupt country thru social programs

Progressive=Redistribute wealth

Progressive=Tells people separation of Church and State is in Constitution (Its Not)

Progressive=Support those who would kill you because you dislike those who protect you (example barbara boxer, henry waxmen) this could be underlying in some and not in others.

Progressive=We no whats good for all even when they disagree


Inbreeding is a horrible thing.


Liberal style come back=insult or call names when otherwise no intelligence is available by person making the comeback. Also shows lack of proper upbringing.
Which may be do to inbreeding of two making for intellectually defective liberal.

Nothing will ever change there thoughts do to impossibility to do so.



Sorry the inbreeding joke hit a nerve.

Conservative=stale

Conservative= staying with old failed policies

Conservative=Bankrupt the Country by giving tax breaks to the wealthy

Conservative=Destroying the middle class

Conservative=A secret wish to establish a christian theocracy

Conservative=govern by playing on peoples fears
Conservative=Don't you just love Attila the Hun...
Used to liberals calling everyone that don't agree with them names Only defense they have most times because theres little record of success to be raised by them. How much better off are we as a generation then our parents since social progressiveness has brought down religion and introduced social programs? We are the first generation to be worst off then our parents!!!! When did that fall start happening? What changes correspond to the fall? CONSTITUTIONALLY and SOCIALLY Just look at the countries history. Things have gotten better for the majority since the beginning, slow at times with bumps here and there but recent past has been steady decline for the majority. The generation of love all, all are equal, no one should be better off then any one else, the Constitution is a breathing document, addition of social and welfare programs well that generation have not succeeded. The majority are not better off because all those things have caused the reverse effect to them. Look around it can not be denied. The more poor now, high crime rates no matter they say. We cry about thousand getting kidded in Iraq but have fail to do anything about the tens off thousands that will be murder in our own country this year alone. Police can't stop someone who fits a profile thats not right,there not allowed to ask if you a citizen. The Social progressives of this generation have failed and want to keep adding failure out of the want of being fair to all.
What happened to the beliefs of the greatest generation, how did it get twisted?
Violent crimes is not down studies show that since the perfecting of places like the shock trauma centers you stand a better chance of surviving.
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After the repeal of alcohol prohibition, the murder rate declined sharply throughout the Great Depression (so much for the Marxian view) and bottomed out around 1960. The murder rate then began to climb beginning with Nixon’s "War on Drugs," rising above the rate of 10, during the 1970s and 1980s, before beginning its mysterious decline during the early 1990s. Taking Dr. Moore's findings into account, we would extend the uptrend that started in the 1960s, but instead of leveling off around 10 during the 1970s, the trend would continue increasing at that angle until it hit a rate of 25 over the past couple of years Now we know, thanks to insights and research of Dr. Thomas and his colleagues that if you factor out improvements in medicine, that the "real" or "medical-adjusted" murder rate has continued to skyrocket during the war on drugs. The fact the victims actually survive is a gratifying success of the private sector, but it can no longer be used to hide the abysmal failure of the policy of drug prohibition.

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And come on Holmes was appointed to support Theo. Roosevelt
U.S. Supreme Court's great dissenter does not impress me in history as he does you.

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Twinhit wrote:
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"The Constitution is a living breathing document"


Here's Mike Huckabuck talking about the Constitution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBFzYgfS5bU
What he is saying is that it can be amended though not reinterpreted. That is the great thing it is changeable but you can not take and change its original meaning to your liking.

Changes are possible but difficult which is how it was intended. Needing two thirds of both houses or two thirds of the states asking for amendments at which time 37 states must ratify it.

In short it takes majority to change the Constitution so in practice most try to just reinterpret existing meaning to there liking. Or thru activist judges common practice of the left.

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