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Please lock this thread!!! Politics, religion...against the forum rules! Thanks
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+1 I feel the urge to argue and it's not good for my appetite (it's lunch time here)

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I have checked out the rules for this part of the forum, and there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with religious or political discussions, as long as they don't get to be too much, or are hateful. I could have missed something, if someone could double check. :idea:

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...NOWHERE in the bible does it state the age of earth or the universe....


The Bible doesn't have convenient answers for everything, like pseudo-science-religions proclaim. After a lifelong study of the Bible, you can clearly follow all of the generations of man and come up with quite a nice approx time-line of events. Also, you might note that the oldest living thing on earth is approx 4500 years old, some trees in California. The oldest desert on earth is also approx 4500 years old (Sahara?). Also, we know the population of Earth now, and over a long period, maybe back as far as the early 1900s. If you know how to fit a curve to the population data that we have now, the curve (exponential) will go back to about 4500 years ago, starting with as few as 11 people. The Bible puts the flood at approx 4500 years ago. One heckuva coincidence? Hardly. There are many, many more examples, the answers are there, if you are sincere about seeking them, you will find them.

Evolution!?! :lol: What does that even mean? I've heard false rumors that people believe that there is actually a "Theory of Evolution", as if it were science instead of religion, yet no one can state it. Any attempted explanation of this misnamed theory, usually result in a hodge-podge of false science and religious beliefs. Even those believers in "evolution" can't agree as to just what it really is. There is no "Theory of Evolution", thus it isn't science at all. Make no mistake, evolution doen't jive with reality, nor does it jive with a belief in God....unless you believe that God was a rock, that somehow evolved into man. That's what evolution tells us, we evolved from rocks. You can't deny that one, take the fantasy of evolution all the way back to the beginning, there were only rocks, right? ;) :)

evolution- the slow change of a species as a whole over long periods of time.... millions of years ago (yeah the world is that old, can YOU BELIEVE IT?!?!) your ancestors looked a hell of a lot like that chimp in the zoo...

as for the time, WE HAVE ARTIFACTS FROM CIVILIZATIONS OLDER THAN 4500 YEARS AGO. how you can honestly say that the world (and the universe as a whole) is only 4500 years old truly astounds me. it defies all common sense and logic. God = real. evolution = real. big bang = real

and quit trying to tell me i dont believe in God, because guess what jackass, I DO. i CAN believe in science AND God and quite frankly i dont give a rats $@! what you have to say about it. im not even going to bother trying to explain how the 2 can fit together quite easily because i would just be wasting my time as you would take some random bible verse and bring it back to square 1.

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[ :lol: So you can believe some "alien' ship was able to silently "abduct" the guy, and travel to other planets having to be light years away, but you can't believe that they could overcome the gravitational pull of Venus???? :lol:
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Floyd_The_Barber wrote:
...Blah, babble, nonsense, blah, contradiction, blather...


I see that since you can't state this so-called "theory of evolution", you make up for it by resorting to insults. Yeah, now I am convinced. :roll: Why not disagree in a civil manner? But, I guess that you can't really support your position, so.... :wink:

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Just my view ! I subscribe to the power broker's drive for resources and control, as a historical fact. The "United States" was born as the first constitutional federal republic, "to form a more perfect union." This union solidified and surrendered the states external sovereignty. The foreign governments were on notice, this was a sovereign nation in the arena of international affairs. Shimmilou, my feeling about God is that all things are possible; evolution, worm holes, alternate realities, etc. As a philosophy & world religions major grad( and Methodist), I realize these two realms are man-made and therefore subject to our interpretations. IMHO the world is round for a reason. Art

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IMHO, IF you have not been to the edge of the earth how can you know that it isn't flat?
The day when people start floating off the planet will be the day they jump off it's very edge.
I just hope everyone here can mutually accept that reality when the time comes for them to float away. I hope that old enemies and foes will look upon each other with much lighter heads than they have ever thought possible.

I sometimes wonder if these people rotate radially or axially about their axis. Also, I wonder if these people will enter into an orbital cycle. I think they would however if the sun were to cash in, there wouldn't be the gravitational pull that plays a roll in the orbits of the planets. Also, if the Milky Way's core were to emplode as a star would collapse in on itself, the contents of it's spiral arms would either be sucked in or regroup into another celestial body.
It's not going to care what people think. It would do what it must do and the consequences will naturally follow.

This is why I don't worry too much about the enviroment - because there is nothing I can do to stop whatever momentum has already prevailed against. It's much bigger picture than me. Therefore it's arrogant to think you can save the planet when the planet doesn't have any control over it's own destiny.

I just hope you will all understand the foregoing and simply accept it for what it really is.


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Getting back to topic, I do think there is someone higher up the chain than the USA President who pulls the strings.. That is why thye 'hidden agenda' has allways been the same. No matter who will be elected in office, N.Korea and Iran are allways going to be in the cross-hairs.

Just dont believe what your media tells you, it's all rubbish. We get both Fox News and the BBC and I will tell you, there is a difference.

I believe "God Of War" film with Nicolas Cage ( :roll: ) is a close representation of what the american war machine can be an actual business for the states. especially towards the end of the movie- it all makes sense.


Like I have said many times here- leave your country and come to New Zealand. You wont have to worry about your security and its an easy move. Our nations are close friends, but under no circumstances are we going to be allies. That is what our Prime Minister has said to Clinton today when she visited our govt- I do believe he treated your secretary of state to a kiwi BBQ at his place, I do hope he didnt drink too much & made a fool of himself.. :wink:

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I agree! Very good point Marvin65, not many people catch that one. I might add that he also talked about "the potential for abuse". I feel that some presidents may have been the exception to the rule of evil. Kennedy (both Bobby and John, not Ted he played ball with the corps), Eisenhower, Reagan may have all been good guys that did what they could. I have always thought that Kennedys were killed by these same people to silence them.

JFK wasn't necessarily a good guy, nor were any of the Kennedys. After all JFK was going to keep us in Vietnam, not withdraw, he said so himself. JFK was another Progressive who hid it well, like Obama.

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...JFK wasn't necessarily a good guy, nor were any of the Kennedys....


You are right. I really just thought about the fact that he and his brother were killed, and there were hints and reports that those two were actually turning on the powers that be. But, compared to Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Clinton and Obama, the Kennedys....maybe not so bad. :lol: But, yes, I understand that the Kennedys were one big criminal organization to begin with, so it is really hard to cut them any slack. :)

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...JFK wasn't necessarily a good guy, nor were any of the Kennedys....


You are right. I really just thought about the fact that he and his brother were killed, and there were hints and reports that those two were actually turning on the powers that be. But, compared to Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Clinton and Obama, the Kennedys....maybe not so bad. :lol: But, yes, I understand that the Kennedys were one big criminal organization to begin with, so it is really hard to cut them any slack. :)
I hear ya, and I personally dont think they were turning on the powers that be but rather making it appear that way for a bigger power grab. After all there is no such thing as a good Progressive. :lol:

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Here is the point , a stolen identity is used to mail 3 bombs at the same office at the same time to synergogs in chicago from yemen , then calls to say where they are to be found and all on the eve of an election .
Now why would so many alarm bells be intentionally rung at the same time if its not a fake ? The big problem with these people is that they are smart enough to be trouble so why such a gift IF ITS THEM ?
Now who do we know that Specialise in fake passports? and would prefer the republicans in power ( remember the fuss over israelies using stolen identitys for murder in the gulf )

now the powers that be love to justify there controls but this time I smell a big fat hairy rat : too meny empty scares for too many years all used to justify oversize budgets and questionable actions and tactics all over the world .
This is the sort of clumbsy thinking you would expect of western idiots .
Yea right, and the planes we all watched fly into the World Trade Center were flown by U.S. Air Force pilots.
The two idiots that cruised up to the USS Cole were western idiots in there fishing boat.

Specialize in passports!!!! What only one country can do that? We have found over 50 million dollars worth of super notes made by North Korea. They and many other countries around that have the capability to make such passports and other things.

Ask your self in the Modern times what is the most common aspect of terrorist attacks? Until we face up to that answer it will just continue.

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el Ingles wrote:
Here is the point , a stolen identity is used to mail 3 bombs at the same office at the same time to synergogs in chicago from yemen , then calls to say where they are to be found and all on the eve of an election .
Now why would so many alarm bells be intentionally rung at the same time if its not a fake ? The big problem with these people is that they are smart enough to be trouble so why such a gift IF ITS THEM ?
Now who do we know that Specialise in fake passports? and would prefer the republicans in power ( remember the fuss over israelies using stolen identitys for murder in the gulf )

now the powers that be love to justify there controls but this time I smell a big fat hairy rat : too meny empty scares for too many years all used to justify oversize budgets and questionable actions and tactics all over the world .
This is the sort of clumbsy thinking you would expect of western idiots .


Dude... It's painfully obvious who was really behind all of this.

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After all JFK was going to keep us in Vietnam, not withdraw, he said so himself.


Not so fast Binky Boy. First, please provide a credible link for you assertion.
Second, the issue really isn't so much whether he would have got us out of Vietnam but rather would he have escalated the U.S. involvement in the war like Johnson did. Also, you would need to take into account the time and context in which JFK made statements about his administration's plans for Vietnam to really determine that if he had lived would he have kept the U.S. in Vietnam.

Also, i hope you were joking when you stated that there is no such thing as a good Progressive.

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