terror = a con ?

guitslinger · **Posted:** Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:13 pm

I endured a program last week with Jesse Ventura and he was trying his darndest it seems to put the blame of 911 directly on the U.S. gov. even stating that they knew there were terrorists on at least one of the planes before it was cleared for takeoff.He also made allusions to it being an inside job engineered by the U.S. gov. also-anything to get the ratings up I suppose-that guy is a loose cannon.

Floyd_The_Barber · **Posted:** Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:32 pm

guitslinger wrote:

I endured a program last week with Jesse Ventura and he was trying his darndest it seems to put the blame of 911 directly on the U.S. gov. even stating that they knew there were terrorists on at least one of the planes before it was cleared for takeoff.He also made allusions to it being an inside job engineered by the U.S. gov. also-anything to get the ratings up I suppose-that guy is a loose cannon.

im not saying i agree with him, but with things like this people often dismiss it as nonsense before hearing ANYTHING about it... there IS evidence supporting those claims, but i do still think it was a non-US job

Solid Body Love Songs · **Posted:** Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:53 pm

, no wait, there was a, oh yeah there it is :roll:

Twinhit · **Joined:** Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:33 am **Posts:** 650

Nevin1985 wrote:

Official Conspiracy Theory

They are all a bunch of nuts.

Floyd_The_Barber · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:08 pm

Twinhit wrote:

Nevin1985 wrote:

Official Conspiracy Theory

They are all a bunch of nuts.

different view =/= nuts... also not all who believe conspiracy theories are tin foil hat wearing morons with "AN ALIUM EEEEEYYYAN THA SSSHHHYYYYEEED!!!!!!!!!"

Twinhit · **Joined:** Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:33 am **Posts:** 650

guitslinger wrote:

I endured a program last week with Jesse Ventura and he was trying his darndest it seems to put the blame of 911 directly on the U.S. gov. even stating that they knew there were terrorists on at least one of the planes before it was cleared for takeoff.He also made allusions to it being an inside job engineered by the U.S. gov. also-anything to get the ratings up I suppose-that guy is a loose cannon.

Guts, I hadn't seen that, but Ventura has been questioning 911 for some time. I don't think has anything to do with his show either, which after all is a venue for alternative opinions to be presented.

If I am not mistaken, it was Sen. Arlen Specter who suggested the magic bullet theory.

shimmilou · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:25 pm

nikininja wrote:

You guys that don't believe this current war of terror is nothing more than a diversionary ploy ever ask yourselves 'exactly who do the nations owe all this money to? What do we owe this money for?'
It's well worth thinking about.

For all you people that persist in believing in the lie that is modern democracy. Remember the London underground bombings. Funny how they took all the attention from the G9 summit and the Geldof gangs plea for those nations present at the summit to cancel 3rd world debt.
Surely it would have been far cheaper to do that than continually bail them out with international aid. Especially when you're in the midst of a economic depression.

Get your thinking caps on lads. :wink:

Agree 100%! These "emergencies" are necessary (for them) to gain more power, and divert attention, while appearing that they are doing something about it. This reminds me of the first Matrix movie, when Keaneu Reeves could not accept reality after he was brought out of the Matrix, he freaked out, then he vomited and passed out. I think that personifies many people today, they just cannot accept reality, no matter how hard it smacks them in the face. :idea:

nikininja · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:52 pm

shimmilou wrote:

Agree 100%! These "emergencies" are necessary (for them) to gain more power, and divert attention, while appearing that they are doing something about it. This reminds me of the first Matrix movie, when Keaneu Reeves could not accept reality after he was brought out of the Matrix, he freaked out, then he vomited and passed out. I think that personifies many people today, they just cannot accept reality, no matter how hard it smacks them in the face. :idea:

Make life too easy and it will all fall apart!

Yeah I could go with that.

All it is with me I don't care what anyone believes about recent disasters. Their just that disasters. You gotta do the best you can with your life and live to the best of your abilities. That is the main reason I won't vote. I won't belittle my existence by participating in a sham. I've far better things to do, like examining my belly button for fluff. A good half hour doing that impacts my life far more than scribbling a X on a bit of paper ever did. Y'know why the Obama administration hasn't made any headway`in sorting out your countries finances. Because doing so doesn't coincide with what his boss wants. It's exactly the same in this country. We just enjoyed a load of goverment spending cuts that aren't going to do anything other than prepare us for harder times ahead. Until we stop bowing to hidden masters, we'll never come out of this financial depression. We need to stop kowtowing to bankers.

Think what you like, but think. Thats my motto taken from the quote below.

Voltaire wrote:

Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so, too.

Twinhit · **Joined:** Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:33 am **Posts:** 650

Floyd_The_Barber wrote:

Twinhit wrote:

Nevin1985 wrote:

Official Conspiracy Theory

They are all a bunch of nuts.

different view =/= nuts... also not all who believe conspiracy theories are tin foil hat wearing morons with "AN ALIUM EEEEEYYYAN THA SSSHHHYYYYEEED!!!!!!!!!"

It's funny when the Government says "We are here to help" and people cringe. But then those same people will believe the Official "THEORY" concerning 911 and take it for fact.
Buildings don't just come crashing down. A B-25 Mitchell hit the Empire State Building. It didn't bring that building down.
Maybe they built the building much better back then.

Another thing is Building 7. It didn't get hit by a plane, though it did suffer damage from one the tower's collapse. Yet it came down when the decision to "pull it" was made that afternoon. - per Silverstein
Most people forget that.

Also it takes a good deal of time to demo a building. How does Building 7 come down at near freefall speed like a demolition job and not be a demolition job.

Also of note, they didn't find WMDs in Iraq. Bush is quoted as saying that Bin Ladin is no longer relevant.
Benazar Bhutto said Bin Ladin was murdered. She then gets knocked off some two weeks later.

As for theories, my personal theory is that the buildings "may" have had strategically built-in devices that would go off in the event the building were to threaten to topple over onto adjacent buildings rather than collapse in on itself.
IF I am right, these devices would have been viewed as safety devices some 45+ years ago and had simply sat dormant all these years and the decision to "pull it" on the towers came when the threat against the adjacent buildings was percieved. Larry Silverstein was referring to building 7 when he made his remarks.

The towers were sometimes called "Nelson and David".
A company called ACE elevator company serviced the tower's elevators.
They filed Chapter 11 or 13 and dissolved.

I personally recall a CNN anchor state that they had been doing a lot of maintenance work on the towers just a couple of days before 911. Was this maintenance work in fact a conspiratorial operation? Why were members of the the Bin Ladin family quietly escorted out of the country when commercial planes were still grounded? Also of note, is that Bin Ladin
are connected with the Bin Ladin Group, a Saudi multinational construction firm which oddly has a strange twist: "The registration for SBG's Internet domain name, saudi-binladin-group.com, was registered on September 11, 2000, for one year, expiring on the same day as the September 11, 2001 attacks." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Binladin_Group
Coincidence? or is there really something to it?

Before 911, there was what was called Operation Dark Winter - this was a mock terrorist attack exercise that convened just a few months prior to 911. Biological warfare was part of the details.
Coincidentally, following 911, there had been the delivery of mail tainted with anthrax to some political figures and a resolution to innoculate medical and military personnel in the days and weeks following 911.

In the late 90s, there was what was called the Project For A New American Century (PNAC)

Quote:

"New Pearl Harbor"
Section V of Rebuilding America's Defenses, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", includes the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor" (51).[13]

Though not arguing that Bush administration PNAC members were complicit in those attacks, other social critics such as commentator Manuel Valenzuela and journalist Mark Danner,[37][38][39] investigative journalist John Pilger, in New Statesman,[40] and former editor of The San Francisco Chronicle Bernard Weiner, in CounterPunch,[41] all argue that PNAC members used the events of 9/11 as the "Pearl Harbor" that they needed––that is, as an "opportunity" to "capitalize on" (in Pilger's words), in order to enact long-desired plans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_fo ... _Harbor.22

The point I am making is that there ARE some real nutty theories out there, but then there some theories that make a lot of sense and those are the ones that threaten the OFFICIAL Story as presented in the 911 Commission Report.
Just because it's "OFFICIAL" doesn't always mean it is legitimate and without dark underpinnings.
I call the 911 Commission Report the "OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY".
And it is a stablemate to the Warren Commission's Report of the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy

Will we ever know the truth? I seriously doubt it.
There will be people who will believe that Oswald acted alone and those who smell a dirty rat to their dying day.

What I think really drives those who are quick to condemn anyone who questions the government are simply afraid to ask, themselves. The truth is not always pretty, and the implications that the United States is NOT, in reality, what it has been portrayed as, boggles the feeble minds of those who believe in their government with such patriotism and loyalty, that they would lock themselves in chains in defense of it, even if it costs them their lives.

Btw, why do they call it the "UNITED" States when it's clear that the people are DIVIDED against themselves? To be united requires the forfeit of individuality and borders. Wouldn't that not be an oxymoron?

Floyd_The_Barber · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:05 pm

Twinhit wrote:

Floyd_The_Barber wrote:

Twinhit wrote:

Nevin1985 wrote:

Official Conspiracy Theory

They are all a bunch of nuts.

different view =/= nuts... also not all who believe conspiracy theories are tin foil hat wearing morons with "AN ALIUM EEEEEYYYAN THA SSSHHHYYYYEEED!!!!!!!!!"

It's funny when the Government says "We are here to help" and people cringe. But then those same people will believe the Official "THEORY" concerning 911 and take it for fact.
Buildings don't just come crashing down. A B-25 Mitchell hit the Empire State Building. It didn't bring that building down.
Maybe they built the building much better back then.

Another thing is Building 7. It didn't get hit by a plane, though it did suffer damage from one the tower's collapse. Yet it came down when the decision to "pull it" was made that afternoon. - per Silverstein
Most people forget that.

Also it takes a good deal of time to demo a building. How does Building 7 come down at near freefall speed like a demolition job and not be a demolition job.

Also of note, they didn't find WMDs in Iraq. Bush is quoted as saying that Bin Ladin is no longer relevant.
Benazar Bhutto said Bin Ladin was murdered. She then gets knocked off some two weeks later.

As for theories, my personal theory is that the buildings "may" have had strategically built-in devices that would go off in the event the building were to threaten to topple over onto adjacent buildings rather than collapse in on itself.
IF I am right, these devices would have been viewed as safety devices some 45+ years ago and had simply sat dormant all these years and the decision to "pull it" on the towers came when the threat against the adjacent buildings was percieved. Larry Silverstein was referring to building 7 when he made his remarks.

The towers were sometimes called "Nelson and David".
A company called ACE elevator company serviced the tower's elevators.
They filed Chapter 11 or 13 and dissolved.

I personally recall a CNN anchor state that they had been doing a lot of maintenance work on the towers just a couple of days before 911. Was this maintenance work in fact a conspiratorial operation? Why were members of the the Bin Ladin family quietly escorted out of the country when commercial planes were still grounded? Also of note, is that Bin Ladin
are connected with the Bin Ladin Group, a Saudi multinational construction firm which oddly has a strange twist: "The registration for SBG's Internet domain name, saudi-binladin-group.com, was registered on September 11, 2000, for one year, expiring on the same day as the September 11, 2001 attacks." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Binladin_Group
Coincidence? or is there really something to it?

Before 911, there was what was called Operation Dark Winter - this was a mock terrorist attack exercise that convened just a few months prior to 911. Biological warfare was part of the details.
Coincidentally, following 911, there had been the delivery of mail tainted with anthrax to some political figures and a resolution to innoculate medical and military personnel in the days and weeks following 911.

In the late 90s, there was what was called the Project For A New American Century (PNAC)

Quote:

"New Pearl Harbor"
Section V of Rebuilding America's Defenses, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", includes the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor" (51).[13]

Though not arguing that Bush administration PNAC members were complicit in those attacks, other social critics such as commentator Manuel Valenzuela and journalist Mark Danner,[37][38][39] investigative journalist John Pilger, in New Statesman,[40] and former editor of The San Francisco Chronicle Bernard Weiner, in CounterPunch,[41] all argue that PNAC members used the events of 9/11 as the "Pearl Harbor" that they needed––that is, as an "opportunity" to "capitalize on" (in Pilger's words), in order to enact long-desired plans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_fo ... _Harbor.22

The point I am making is that there ARE some real nutty theories out there, but then there some theories that make a lot of sense and those are the ones that threaten the OFFICIAL Story as presented in the 911 Commission Report.
Just because it's "OFFICIAL" doesn't always mean it is legitimate and without dark underpinnings.
I call the 911 Commission Report the "OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY".
And it is a stablemate to the Warren Commission's Report of the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy

Will we ever know the truth? I seriously doubt it.
There will be people who will believe that Oswald acted alone and those who smell a dirty rat to their dying day.

What I think really drives those who are quick to condemn anyone who questions the government are simply afraid to ask, themselves. The truth is not always pretty, and the implications that the United States is NOT, in reality, what it has been portrayed as, boggles the feeble minds of those who believe in their government with such patriotism and loyalty, that they would lock themselves in chains in defense of it, even if it costs them their lives.

Btw, why do they call it the "UNITED" States when it's clear that the people are DIVIDED against themselves? To be united requires the forfeit of individuality and borders. Wouldn't that not be an oxymoron?

the collapse of building 7 certainly LOOKS like a controlled demolition... watch it, it dips in the middle and then falls....

hell while were on conspiracy theories, i suppose ill bring this up to see where it goes: alien tech.... do we have it? i say no but we certainly ARE seeing things up in the sky and SOMETHING had to have crashed in roswell...

ZZDoc · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:30 pm

el Ingles wrote:

the world .
This is the sort of clumbsy thinking you would expect of western idiots .

Here's the point! A close friend of mine is in a field called "traffic". They arrange transportation of goods from point A to point B. Since 9/11 his involvement has become, shall we say, more security oriented, without going into details. He has been waiting for this one to happen for a long, long, time because those with the ability to do so have failed to step up to the plate. Do I need to refer you to "The Sum of All Fears" for further possibilities. :?:

Twinhit · **Joined:** Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:33 am **Posts:** 650

Floyd_The_Barber wrote:

Twinhit wrote:

Floyd_The_Barber wrote:

Twinhit wrote:

Nevin1985 wrote:

Official Conspiracy Theory

They are all a bunch of nuts.

different view =/= nuts... also not all who believe conspiracy theories are tin foil hat wearing morons with "AN ALIUM EEEEEYYYAN THA SSSHHHYYYYEEED!!!!!!!!!"

It's funny when the Government says "We are here to help" and people cringe. But then those same people will believe the Official "THEORY" concerning 911 and take it for fact.
Buildings don't just come crashing down. A B-25 Mitchell hit the Empire State Building. It didn't bring that building down.
Maybe they built the building much better back then.

Another thing is Building 7. It didn't get hit by a plane, though it did suffer damage from one the tower's collapse. Yet it came down when the decision to "pull it" was made that afternoon. - per Silverstein
Most people forget that.

Also it takes a good deal of time to demo a building. How does Building 7 come down at near freefall speed like a demolition job and not be a demolition job.

Also of note, they didn't find WMDs in Iraq. Bush is quoted as saying that Bin Ladin is no longer relevant.
Benazar Bhutto said Bin Ladin was murdered. She then gets knocked off some two weeks later.

As for theories, my personal theory is that the buildings "may" have had strategically built-in devices that would go off in the event the building were to threaten to topple over onto adjacent buildings rather than collapse in on itself.
IF I am right, these devices would have been viewed as safety devices some 45+ years ago and had simply sat dormant all these years and the decision to "pull it" on the towers came when the threat against the adjacent buildings was percieved. Larry Silverstein was referring to building 7 when he made his remarks.

The towers were sometimes called "Nelson and David".
A company called ACE elevator company serviced the tower's elevators.
They filed Chapter 11 or 13 and dissolved.

I personally recall a CNN anchor state that they had been doing a lot of maintenance work on the towers just a couple of days before 911. Was this maintenance work in fact a conspiratorial operation? Why were members of the the Bin Ladin family quietly escorted out of the country when commercial planes were still grounded? Also of note, is that Bin Ladin
are connected with the Bin Ladin Group, a Saudi multinational construction firm which oddly has a strange twist: "The registration for SBG's Internet domain name, saudi-binladin-group.com, was registered on September 11, 2000, for one year, expiring on the same day as the September 11, 2001 attacks." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Binladin_Group
Coincidence? or is there really something to it?

Before 911, there was what was called Operation Dark Winter - this was a mock terrorist attack exercise that convened just a few months prior to 911. Biological warfare was part of the details.
Coincidentally, following 911, there had been the delivery of mail tainted with anthrax to some political figures and a resolution to innoculate medical and military personnel in the days and weeks following 911.

In the late 90s, there was what was called the Project For A New American Century (PNAC)

Quote:

"New Pearl Harbor"
Section V of Rebuilding America's Defenses, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", includes the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor" (51).[13]

Though not arguing that Bush administration PNAC members were complicit in those attacks, other social critics such as commentator Manuel Valenzuela and journalist Mark Danner,[37][38][39] investigative journalist John Pilger, in New Statesman,[40] and former editor of The San Francisco Chronicle Bernard Weiner, in CounterPunch,[41] all argue that PNAC members used the events of 9/11 as the "Pearl Harbor" that they needed––that is, as an "opportunity" to "capitalize on" (in Pilger's words), in order to enact long-desired plans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_fo ... _Harbor.22

The point I am making is that there ARE some real nutty theories out there, but then there some theories that make a lot of sense and those are the ones that threaten the OFFICIAL Story as presented in the 911 Commission Report.
Just because it's "OFFICIAL" doesn't always mean it is legitimate and without dark underpinnings.
I call the 911 Commission Report the "OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY".
And it is a stablemate to the Warren Commission's Report of the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy

Will we ever know the truth? I seriously doubt it.
There will be people who will believe that Oswald acted alone and those who smell a dirty rat to their dying day.

What I think really drives those who are quick to condemn anyone who questions the government are simply afraid to ask, themselves. The truth is not always pretty, and the implications that the United States is NOT, in reality, what it has been portrayed as, boggles the feeble minds of those who believe in their government with such patriotism and loyalty, that they would lock themselves in chains in defense of it, even if it costs them their lives.

Btw, why do they call it the "UNITED" States when it's clear that the people are DIVIDED against themselves? To be united requires the forfeit of individuality and borders. Wouldn't that not be an oxymoron?

the collapse of building 7 certainly LOOKS like a controlled demolition... watch it, it dips in the middle and then falls....

hell while were on conspiracy theories, i suppose ill bring this up to see where it goes: alien tech.... do we have it? i say no but we certainly ARE seeing things up in the sky and SOMETHING had to have crashed in roswell...

Not sure about the space alien stuff but Art Bell sure was interesting to listen to. My folks once had a neighbor back in the early 60s who claimed he went to venus on a spaceship, brought back things like a rock etc.
He'd be gone for a couple of weeks and come back and there was a peculiar circle in his field. Keep in mind this field was in the suburbs.
No one heard the space craft come and go. just that he was missing and turn up again.
Cousins said they had seen his eyes through his eyelids one day when he was sleeping on hammock out in the yard.
Weird stuff.
The man's name was Elmer Pugh.
Great stuff for sci-fi film imho.

Floyd_The_Barber · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:36 pm

Twinhit wrote:

Floyd_The_Barber wrote:

Twinhit wrote:

Floyd_The_Barber wrote:

Twinhit wrote:

Nevin1985 wrote:

Official Conspiracy Theory

They are all a bunch of nuts.

different view =/= nuts... also not all who believe conspiracy theories are tin foil hat wearing morons with "AN ALIUM EEEEEYYYAN THA SSSHHHYYYYEEED!!!!!!!!!"

It's funny when the Government says "We are here to help" and people cringe. But then those same people will believe the Official "THEORY" concerning 911 and take it for fact.
Buildings don't just come crashing down. A B-25 Mitchell hit the Empire State Building. It didn't bring that building down.
Maybe they built the building much better back then.

Another thing is Building 7. It didn't get hit by a plane, though it did suffer damage from one the tower's collapse. Yet it came down when the decision to "pull it" was made that afternoon. - per Silverstein
Most people forget that.

Also it takes a good deal of time to demo a building. How does Building 7 come down at near freefall speed like a demolition job and not be a demolition job.

Also of note, they didn't find WMDs in Iraq. Bush is quoted as saying that Bin Ladin is no longer relevant.
Benazar Bhutto said Bin Ladin was murdered. She then gets knocked off some two weeks later.

As for theories, my personal theory is that the buildings "may" have had strategically built-in devices that would go off in the event the building were to threaten to topple over onto adjacent buildings rather than collapse in on itself.
IF I am right, these devices would have been viewed as safety devices some 45+ years ago and had simply sat dormant all these years and the decision to "pull it" on the towers came when the threat against the adjacent buildings was percieved. Larry Silverstein was referring to building 7 when he made his remarks.

The towers were sometimes called "Nelson and David".
A company called ACE elevator company serviced the tower's elevators.
They filed Chapter 11 or 13 and dissolved.

I personally recall a CNN anchor state that they had been doing a lot of maintenance work on the towers just a couple of days before 911. Was this maintenance work in fact a conspiratorial operation? Why were members of the the Bin Ladin family quietly escorted out of the country when commercial planes were still grounded? Also of note, is that Bin Ladin
are connected with the Bin Ladin Group, a Saudi multinational construction firm which oddly has a strange twist: "The registration for SBG's Internet domain name, saudi-binladin-group.com, was registered on September 11, 2000, for one year, expiring on the same day as the September 11, 2001 attacks." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Binladin_Group
Coincidence? or is there really something to it?

Before 911, there was what was called Operation Dark Winter - this was a mock terrorist attack exercise that convened just a few months prior to 911. Biological warfare was part of the details.
Coincidentally, following 911, there had been the delivery of mail tainted with anthrax to some political figures and a resolution to innoculate medical and military personnel in the days and weeks following 911.

In the late 90s, there was what was called the Project For A New American Century (PNAC)

Quote:

"New Pearl Harbor"
Section V of Rebuilding America's Defenses, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", includes the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor" (51).[13]

Though not arguing that Bush administration PNAC members were complicit in those attacks, other social critics such as commentator Manuel Valenzuela and journalist Mark Danner,[37][38][39] investigative journalist John Pilger, in New Statesman,[40] and former editor of The San Francisco Chronicle Bernard Weiner, in CounterPunch,[41] all argue that PNAC members used the events of 9/11 as the "Pearl Harbor" that they needed––that is, as an "opportunity" to "capitalize on" (in Pilger's words), in order to enact long-desired plans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_fo ... _Harbor.22

The point I am making is that there ARE some real nutty theories out there, but then there some theories that make a lot of sense and those are the ones that threaten the OFFICIAL Story as presented in the 911 Commission Report.
Just because it's "OFFICIAL" doesn't always mean it is legitimate and without dark underpinnings.
I call the 911 Commission Report the "OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY".
And it is a stablemate to the Warren Commission's Report of the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy

Will we ever know the truth? I seriously doubt it.
There will be people who will believe that Oswald acted alone and those who smell a dirty rat to their dying day.

What I think really drives those who are quick to condemn anyone who questions the government are simply afraid to ask, themselves. The truth is not always pretty, and the implications that the United States is NOT, in reality, what it has been portrayed as, boggles the feeble minds of those who believe in their government with such patriotism and loyalty, that they would lock themselves in chains in defense of it, even if it costs them their lives.

Btw, why do they call it the "UNITED" States when it's clear that the people are DIVIDED against themselves? To be united requires the forfeit of individuality and borders. Wouldn't that not be an oxymoron?

the collapse of building 7 certainly LOOKS like a controlled demolition... watch it, it dips in the middle and then falls....

hell while were on conspiracy theories, i suppose ill bring this up to see where it goes: alien tech.... do we have it? i say no but we certainly ARE seeing things up in the sky and SOMETHING had to have crashed in roswell...

Not sure about the space alien stuff but Art Bell sure was interesting to listen to. My folks once had a neighbor back in the early 60s who claimed he went to venus on a spaceship, brought back things like a rock etc.
He'd be gone for a couple of weeks and come back and there was a peculiar circle in his field. Keep in mind this field was in the suburbs.
No one heard the space craft come and go. just that he was missing and turn up again.
Cousins said they had seen his eyes through his eyelids one day when he was sleeping on hammock out in the yard.
Weird stuff.
The man's name was Elmer Pugh.
Great stuff for sci-fi film imho.

abduction stories are always interesting, though i dont think anyone went to or lived on venus.... not saying he was lying, but no way in hell the planet he saw was venus... hed be a pancke :lol:

shimmilou · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:53 pm

Floyd_The_Barber wrote:

...abduction stories are always interesting, though i dont think anyone went to or lived on venus.... not saying he was lying, but no way in hell the planet he saw was venus... hed be a pancke :lol:

So you can believe some "alien' ship was able to silently "abduct" the guy, and travel to other planets having to be light years away, but you can't believe that they could overcome the gravitational pull of Venus???? :lol:

Floyd_The_Barber · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:57 pm

shimmilou wrote:

Floyd_The_Barber wrote:

...abduction stories are always interesting, though i dont think anyone went to or lived on venus.... not saying he was lying, but no way in hell the planet he saw was venus... hed be a pancke :lol:

So you can believe some "alien' ship was able to silently "abduct" the guy, and travel to other planets having to be light years away, but you can't believe that they could overcome the gravitational pull of Venus???? :lol:

"not saying he was lying" = sarcasm.... txt r n0 g00d 4 tht

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