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Post subject: HEY MARTIAN - SG Broken Headstock Disaster
Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:20 pm
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A very close friend of mine has a nice SG, I think from the 60s or early 70s. It has P-90s and a Bigsby.

Anyway a couple of years ago, his grandson got into the case and broke the neck at the headstock. My friend (in an emotionally distraught) state hastily tried to fix the problem with superglue (ouch).

This guitar has great sentimental value to him for reasons other than the obvious ones. I took some pics of the "repair" and told him I would post here seeking expert advice. Is this something that could be re-done properly by an amateur? If not could it be repaired professionally? And lastly, does anyone know of any good luthiers in the Central New Jersey area that might be able to tackle such a repair?

I don't believe he has tried to tune the strings to pitch since his "fix" and I'm not sure if it would hold up to the tension. And it would be very uncomfortable to play due to the current sloppiness of the glue.

Here are some pics of the damage and subsequent repair attempt - view at your own risk.

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Kong, get him to take it to a pro.

If he hadn't used super glue, it would be a fairly simple repair, but now it isn't. There's quite a mess going on there, it will take some work to get it looking new.

If it weren't a vintage instrument I would advocate a home repair, but not in this case.

If he hadn't made the attempt it wouldn't be that tough to fix, but it is a cleanup job now too.

I don't know the geography of NJ, but if your near Union, try theses guys
http://www.timeelect.com/

http://www.timeelect.com/headstock.htm (here's a similar job they have a page up for)

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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:11 pm
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If the guitar is stock, it looks more like a late '70's to early 80's.

P-90's? :shock:

Thank you for posting this. It's a great lesson for keeping your guitars in their (hardshell) cases.


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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:55 pm
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Since the guitar has been gummed up with super glue,a professional fix is best right now as the residue of the superglue must be very carefully removed.If your friend had used wood glue from the start it is quite possible that would have done the trick.My bandmates 68 S.G. suffered the same break in 1975-76 and was repaired and clamped with wood glue and he's gigging with it to this day with no problems other than he uses 9-42 gauge strings just to be on the safe with neck tension.

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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:05 pm
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Kong,

I would contact Todd at Portland Fret works in Portland Oregon.

Todd is factory trained and a Gibson warranty station and can order a replacement neck.

I know once he is done, it will be right and look prefect.

BTW, Those are not P-90's, the model he has is a Gibson SG X-500 with mini humbuckers. It is just like the one I used to have.

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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:23 pm
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Kong,

I would contact Todd at Portland Fret works in Portland Oregon.

Todd is factory trained and a Gibson warranty station and can order a replacement neck.

I know once he is done, it will be right and look prefect.

BTW, Those are not P-90's, the model he has is a Gibson SG X-500 with mini humbuckers. It is just like the one I used to have.


Thanks Jeffytune - how silly of me, I only looked at the pickups quickly, I was really studying the neck.

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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:24 pm
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I cried a little. Horror movie material. It would have been a routine fix prior to the superglue... looks to be a clean break. Oi.


That was my reaction too. He really was not in his right mind when he "fixed" it. Panic will do that to people!

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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:22 pm
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That definitely needs a professional's touch. He could also try contacting Dan Erlewine: http://www.danerlewine.com . He is known as the expert on this stuff and is amazing with vintage instruments (from the work I have seen). I wouldn't expect it to be quick or cheap, but he could salvage a lot of the value of the instrument just because of the respect that he is given in the industry. That's not to say there aren't other guys out there that can properly fix that as well.


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Post subject: Re: SG Broken Headstock Disaster
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:59 am
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Kong wrote:
And lastly, does anyone know of any good luthiers in the Central New Jersey area that might be able to tackle such a repair?

Hi Kong: and just the other day you were wanting to do a headstock repair on a 335 yourself, I clearly recall. Not going to try your own hand at this one? :D

Anyhow, Forum user Martian is in New Jersey. Just from reading hundreds of his technical posts here and considering his decades of experience I'm certain you could do absolutely no better, if he was interested in tackling it. Add his name to the title of this thread and see if you catch his eye, why not...?

By the way, who's knees are those in the pix? LOVE those pants! 8)

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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:27 am
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Also consider Kerry Char, also in Portland, OR. I have seen before and afters of a late 30's Gibson that was run over by a pickup truck. Perfect restoration job.

My son broke my Takemine in the same way many years ago. I couldn't fix it. Bummer.
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Post subject: Re: SG Broken Headstock Disaster
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:39 pm
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Ceri wrote:
Kong wrote:
And lastly, does anyone know of any good luthiers in the Central New Jersey area that might be able to tackle such a repair?

Hi Kong: and just the other day you were wanting to do a headstock repair on a 335 yourself, I clearly recall. Not going to try your own hand at this one? :D

Anyhow, Forum user Martian is in New Jersey. Just from reading hundreds of his technical posts here and considering his decades of experience I'm certain you could do absolutely no better, if he was interested in tackling it. Add his name to the title of this thread and see if you catch his eye, why not...?

By the way, who's knees are those in the pix? LOVE those pants! 8)

Cheers - C


Hey Ceri, good idea - I'll definitely reach out to Martian.

Agreed, my bedspread would make a stellar pair of trousers!! LOL

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Had an acoustic that had the same break. A pro can really fix it to the point were if you don't know about it, you won't see it. They can make it look nearly perfect. If he elects to not have it fixed by a professional, sell it to someone that will. That guitar still wants to be in the game. :)


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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:41 pm
stratoBobster Has a good point about keeping guitars and basses in their hardshell cases. I know you can't see the great axe, and it may be a pain to get to every time you want to play it. But that case will hopefully avert this scenario. :roll:


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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:36 pm
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Hi Kong,I'm not familiar with the New Jersey map but here's a couple of Ney Jersey shops that may be of help: www.goldenageguitars.com in Westfield N.J. and these guys who specailize in vintage instruments www.larkstreetmusic.com they're in Teaneck N.J. and then there's these guys who I believe are in N.J. www.hobokenvintage.com and as a last resort you may try these guys,although they specialize in Rics I believe they have a great repair facility www.pickofthericks.com and they are in Lindenwold N.J. hope this is of some help.

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Post subject: Re: SG Broken Headstock Disaster
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:37 am
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Kong wrote:
Agreed, my bedspread would make a stellar pair of trousers!! LOL

Hee-hee - but you can see how it looks like legs in the pics? Odd coincidence: I did see a fella wearing trousers that looked exactly like that just the other day. Did he have a white golf cap on too, or did I imagine that bit?

Anyway. Watching patiently to see if Martian looks in on this thread...

Cheers - C


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