Maybe someone can point out to me how debating religion has ever made this world a better place?

Obviously debate is preferable over violence, but honestly, is it in this case in any way productive?

In the time spent reading this thread I could have helped my neighbour with his garden, learnt a new song on my guitar, cooked a lovely meal for my loved ones or made some new friends.

It is an interesting and educative read, don't get me wrong! but sociologically or philosophically speaking it is probably not furthering anyone, and it is certainly not uniting.
Maybe we should just get back to making music. A truly universal language.

Whaddayathink?

Regards

-Nutter

I will start with a word, a city, a holy city, you need more clues? how many wars were and are still being fought over Jerusalem?

Here's a few more examples:

- Crusaders
- the Isrealis, kick the Palistians out cause the Lord promised them this land.
- Lebanon's civil war
- Bin Laden, Muslim extremist
- Bosnian war
- Iraq today

The list goes on... I agree that religion is used as an excuse, and that's exactly what the masses believe, they are fighting a "holy war".

It's theologicaly incorrect to state that God chooses who he heals. Theologicaly the power of healing or any other power maninfested by God is already on earth. It was made so at the ressurection. The final physical act of the worlds redemption after the fall. Which will be complete after judgment when the spiitual and physical existence are repaired to be completely indistinguishable.

Why do some get healing and others don't? I don't fully know. Theres a number of explanaitions. Faith, redemption, who knows. The simple fact is what right does the created have to question the creator? You'd think it pretty bizzare if a audio recording of Leo's first guitar saying to him 'well I don't think this is right', came to light.

BTW Egypt is close on 11000 years old. The city of Memphis (now the site of Cairo) is widely accepted as such by historians and archeologists. It's the oldest remains of civilization in that area. It's also said that there are no artefacts on the site predating it. Manetho dated it at around 3000 years BC, archeology dates it older.

As for my disparaging Islam, I believe that is your attempt to turn discussion into a argument. I clearly didn't, I gave my view on it and wrote that outside of my view I'm not familiar enough to remark on it.

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No no and no

Niki, I apologize if my comment came out as an argument, my intentions are not to argue with anyone, just having a nice discussion without getting out of control

I wasn't responding to your view about Islam, I used it as example since it could be considered "act 3". The fact that you said why would anyone consider an act 3 at the end of act 2 is like saying ONLY act 1 and 2 are "the truth" anything beyond that (act 3, 4, 5..) should not be a consideration. I apologize if I'm misunderstanding what you said.

The_Nutter, music is my language and my religion I believe this debate is pretty civilized, no one is attacking anyone, so no harm is being done, we are all free to ignore this thread if it doesn't interest us. I usually avoid any religious talks cause most folks get too emotional and the debate will usually turn violent... so I have no clue why I'm even posting here, probably cause I don't have a guitar in my hands right now

they can believe what they want, but im still correct, its over power, money, and greed.
as for the bosnian war, i work with two high ranking military
members from that war. they were on the oppisite sides.
i got to spend a day outside of work with them a while ago.
all we talked about was the war, my idea. i was told things that blew my mind. that war damn sure wasnt a holy war. yes there were two different religions fighting aginst eachother, but it was far from a holy war.
the media lead the world to believe that thats what it was.
both left bosnia because they didnt believe in what the war was really about and refused to fight it any longer.
one recieved a shot in the neck from a sniper, and the other had his left arm shot half off at the sholder. (but had it fully reattached and 100% functional) funny thing was that one didnt ever disagree with the other about anything that day.

"I will start with a word, a city, a holy city, you need more clues? how many wars were and are still being fought over Jerusalem"

again here is power, money, and greed.
funny how the bible even said that there would never be peace on this land and there hasnt been since.
kinda strange how the bible has neverbeen proven wrong isnt it?

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"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

I've always got the feeling that we've got problems if god stops believing in us.

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Oh, too harsh. ( ) In the time I've spent reading this thread I've also learned to play Lowdown by Boz Scaggs, which my Strat playing accountant has asked me to get under my belt so's we can jam it together next time we're meant to be discussing tax loopholes.

Now if that ain't a productive religious debate I dunno what is...

BTW: the chorus section of Lowdown I'm hearing as Dmaj7 - C# - F#m - B7. Does that seem right, or does anyone know better?

...Oops - have I hijacked this thread? How bad of me.

Cheers - C

Ceri, man, finally someone actually answers my question... how cool is that?

ahhh, I guess you proved me wrong... maybe

Lowdown... very funky!

-Nutter

That reminds of that exchange from the movie "Constantine":

Constantine: "Do you believe in the devil?"

Rachel: "No ..."

Constantine: "Well you should. He believes in you."

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Laughing out loud with fear and hope, I have a desperate plan ...

Ooo - not my intention in the slightest. After all, in a religious debate nobody can be proved wrong...


Yes indeed! I'm basing my take on it upon this version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj4JCPXQjk8

To jam just on two guitars I'm kinda presuming we're going to endlessly vamp on Gmaj7 - A6. Or is it A13? Anyway, one of us will fool around with that in various positions while the other one (me) gets a nice Santana type tone going and endulges himself to tedious degree with soloing away on slightly jazzy note selections...

So do I have that chord sequence at 1.56 right? Or do I just have to believe...?

Cheers - C

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I really like all them "Aster" guitars. You know, like the Stratoc, Telec and Jazzm.

I think that 2004 version is much cooler than the original from '76 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afBdFyE7PeE
I like the layed-back groove of the newer version.


I don't know, I have difficulties hearing it, cause the church bells are ringing so loud at the moment I can't decipher the music!! Is that a sign??

-Nutter

That guitar looks seriously relic'ed!

I am a believer, too. Your decision to believe or not is between you and God. But for me, I consider everything worthless compared to the the greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Z9D5cdccg&feature=related

So. Nothing so simple as F#m, but:

Streuth: OK.

The "over C" bit I'm struggling with, but... Got a fingering for that?

Anyhow - not as green as they're cabbage-looking, these funksters, huh? Interesting.

By the way: how does it feel hijacking a non-musical thread and dragging it over to music? Now there's a turn up for the books!

Oh, and to russianracehorse: presumably that's the avatar we should get when we achieve six picks and "rock god" status on the Forum!

Cheers - C