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Post subject: had John Lennon lived to see the 1990's??
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:04 am
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i have been listening to double fantasy a lot this week and its always an album that makes me wistful for another time. but also very conflicted.

Mostly because yes, he would have toured properly in 1981 and returned to live performance. It would have been great to see him perform all those songs live, much like mccartney performed them in the early 90's

However, would you really have wanted to see Lennon produce synthesized contemporary work during the 80's decade? Do you think he would have even lived through the 80's? He looked terribly worn out and unhealthy by 1980.

Do you think, while terribly tragic John Lennons premature death cemented his place and the beatles legacy in the history of the world? In as much as we take a living mccartney forgranted today?

What would you think about seeing a 70 year old Lennon & McCartney up on stage in 2010 performing old beatles tunes?

What was your opinion of the Beatles in 1979?


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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 5:38 am
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We can only "imagine" what he woulda coulda done,but bottom line is,would he have gotten away from Yoko Ono?
Then it would be really different.
I was a teenager in the '60s,and when he left the Beatles and layed around in bed with Yoko and spoke out against the VN war and was in no danger of being drafted like all us normal American boys,I thought "screw him".


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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:30 am
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John had turned over a new leaf with the recording of Double Fantasy and was taken from us before he could begin what would have been-I think-a pivotal point in his life/career.John had become a lot more introspective in his later years and was becoming an even deeper thinker.Martin Damien Chapstick took away any chance for us to see what was to come from his brilliant mind no doubt it would have been something substantial. I have read a lot about John Lennon and feel that I know him pretty well.Yoko didn't have the control over John that people like to think she had,John was one of the most stubborn headstrong people to ever walk the earth and I don't think that even Yoko could have goaded him into doing something that he didn't want to.BTW I purposely mispelled the name of John's murderer because the sick bastard only did it for the purpose of becoming famous and no other reason so on the slim chance that he ever reads this I did it just to pi55 him off.

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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:28 pm
I can't speculate on what would have been had John lived longer than he did. I'm just glad he was the person he was when he walked among us. RIP.


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I didn't like any of John's solo material. I liked Paul, Ringo and George's. I think if John hadn't been shot he probably would be alive today. I would love to have seen him, Paul, George and Ringo playing together again. I saw Paul a few years ago and he was great.


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quite frankly i dont think he would have been as much of a "legend"... the same goes for many other supposed "music legends"... Cobain, Hendrix, etc... while what they gave us in their time on Earth was absolutely amazing and some of the greatest music ever made, had they lived past their prime they would be viewed as washed up and old etc.... thats why they are so fondly remembered, because they never got the chance to hit rock bottom

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I seem to remember it being said that at the time of his death, he was just starting to go in a positive direction in his life. Even his son Julain and him were just starting to resolve their differences (according to Julian himself). Who knows what he might have done. I think it would have been interesting.

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Hi Floyd I can't say that I completely agree with you with regard to John Lennon And Jimi Hendrix at the times of their deaths both had taken a big turn in the stlye and content of their music.In both their cases the music was becoming more sophisticated,personal and introspective.If they hadn't died I believe we would have heard better music than they had ever written.Cobain was a different story,with his suicide maybe he felt that his productiveness and inspiration had worn out and maybe ended his life out of futility.John had hit rock bottom during his 18 month"lost Weekend" through his bingeing with Harry Nilsson and Phil Spectre and company and his growing consumption of herion but he had gotten himself clean and became a totally new person almost like a rebirth.Jimi had also vowed that he was going to stop playing his hits night after night and he too had turned direction with the Brilliant but unfinished Cry of Love and the Music on Rainbow Bridge.His music was becoming more focused than ever and he was planning to do a jazz/rock/blues fusion project with the amazing jazz artist Gil Evans-their best stuff was still inside their heads and souls at the time of their deaths.Sadly we'll never hear what songs they could have written in this world,maybe on the next one-I won't be late.

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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 5:21 pm
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There no telling.... I can't "imagine" nor do I even want to guess, It is what it is, and I think his time on earth was well spent for him. We also got a ton of good things for his time.

I don't want to start a war, but Cobain and Hendrix in the same context?
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 5:27 pm
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Floyd_The_Barber wrote:
quite frankly i dont think he would have been as much of a "legend"... the same goes for many other supposed "music legends"... Cobain, Hendrix, etc... while what they gave us in their time on Earth was absolutely amazing and some of the greatest music ever made, had they lived past their prime they would be viewed as washed up and old etc.... thats why they are so fondly remembered, because they never got the chance to hit rock bottom


The reason Hendrix and Cobain died was because they had hit rock bottom, and unfortunately for them it was too late to get back up. I believe we had yet to see the best from them, especially with Hendrix. If he had started taking care of himself physically I think he would've been able to not only live up to the hype, but surpass it. If Cobain had taken care of himself mentally I think he would have been capable of writing even better songs than he did that we're not going to be able to hear. I firmly believe that people play their best when they're clean, sober and mentally stable. We didn't see the best of Hendrix or Cobain.

Lennon is another story since he wasn't responsible for his own death.

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I just don't see John getting back into the old schtick of playing love me do or happy birthday when he was 70. He didn't want anything to do with it before he was shot. Less we forget that he would still be with Yoko and can you imagine how fricking annoying that would've been? I think he would have laid low in the eighties, just staying relevant enough to keep people's interest. He would've done some presenting at awards shows etc and then done some great work in the end of the 90's after the "newness" of grunge was wearing off.

But again, this is all "I think". Who am I, ha ha. Knowing John, he would do something crazy we wouldn't even be able to speculate on.

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Floyd_The_Barber wrote:
quite frankly i dont think he would have been as much of a "legend"... the same goes for many other supposed "music legends"... Cobain, Hendrix, etc... while what they gave us in their time on Earth was absolutely amazing and some of the greatest music ever made, had they lived past their prime they would be viewed as washed up and old etc.... thats why they are so fondly remembered, because they never got the chance to hit rock bottom


The reason Hendrix and Cobain died was because they had hit rock bottom, and unfortunately for them it was too late to get back up. I believe we had yet to see the best from them, especially with Hendrix. If he had started taking care of himself physically I think he would've been able to not only live up to the hype, but surpass it. If Cobain had taken care of himself mentally I think he would have been capable of writing even better songs than he did that we're not going to be able to hear. I firmly believe that people play their best when they're clean, sober and mentally stable. We didn't see the best of Hendrix or Cobain.

Lennon is another story since he wasn't responsible for his own death.

after hearing you know youre right one can only imagine where nirvana was going (although the almighty jackassery of the internet has created the theory that they were breaking up...)... i do actually think there are other songs from the "You Know You're Right" session though... why go to the studio to record and master one song? moneyhungryattentionwhore (aka courtney love) definitely hasnt released it all yet...

as for, Hendrix, i cant in my wildest dreams imagine what the hell the man would come up with.... definitely the most creative guitarists to ever walk the planet

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Frankly, if he was still alive, I think Yoko would be calling ALL the shots even to her directing his daily live somewhat like Sharon does with Ozzie.

One situation I'm sure Yoko would never condone is Lennon being allowed to even merely jam again with McCartney. This is, unless of course she desired a monumental financial windfall where it goes without saying, she alone would be and have all the rights to the whole marketing, management, recording, etc, etc. conglomeration behind it.

Let's face it, Yoko clearly has a shrewd business mind and obviously, is most intelligent. One thing that I've always wondered about her is why she didn't pursue and successfully secure all the copyrights to all the Beatles' songs portfolio not owned by any of the Beatles or their families. All I can think of is, I guess either way, she doesn't need nor want to part with the money.

As always, this is merely IMO where YMMV.

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I think the 80's pretty much ruined rock music. I bet Lennon woulda done synth stuff with Michael McDonald singing backups as the 80's went on. :shock:

Look at all the great artists of the 60's and 70's that were taken down musically after 1982 or so. John Lennon would not have been an exception to overproduced click track material.

Thank God for Nirvana.


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DantheBassist wrote:
I think the 80's pretty much ruined rock music

correction, the early 2000's destroyed rock music

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