I am not trying to bruise anybody's ego nor am I trying to put down pedals (candy).I am simply trying to make a point, being that you don’t get your tone (sound) by ripping apart your guitar, stacking tons of candy in front of your rig. That all has a purpose, but your tone is how you approach your guitar.
You must treat her like a Lady with knowledge, finesse, respect, tenderness, care, understanding, technique to bring forth the tone from your guitar. Most people approach it in a way that if the guitar was a woman they would go to jail for spousal abuse.
The toys are like buying her a new dress, Diamond ring, getting her hair done, to enhance her beauty, not to be her heart and soul. If you put her through a full overhaul before you go out on your first date you’ll never get to know the real Lady.
The whole purpose of this subject I have brought up here on the forum was to try and help ones that are not in the know and chasing their tail, spending mega bucks on toys and the like. I’m just trying to put a little light on the subject because I see it on the forum all the time. How do I get this sound or that tone, which pedal to by, what short cut can I use? For the ones in the know I understand why you mod,hot rod and the like because you are ahead of the game knowing that “THE SOUND” is not in your gear it is in you and it must be developed and that the candy is to enhance.
If your guitar is too thin sounding or not to your liking, try using your tone knobs before you fall down that whole chasing the rabbit.
Just so that you don’t think I’m a RUST-PICKER, I do use a Digitech GNX-2 but only as a stomp-box and noise gate for that 60 Hz buzz. I don’t like to fly naked because most venues have no acoustics. My amp is an old Peavey Triple x 120watt 212 combo. Guitar wise it depends on if I want a single coil sound or humbucker sound. They are in no order-Steinberger (87 model M1T),74 Les Paul Custom (20th Anniversary) 06 mim Nashville Deluxe Tele,06 Classic 70’s Strat,04 P.R.S Custom 24 ten top. So as you can see by that I like toys and candy also.
I want to thank everyone for taking part in the subject and hope that no one had their feeling's hurt.

There is a good quote from Pink Floyd Live at Pompeii where Gilmour and Wright talk about being a slave to your equipment and making sure "you are controlling IT, and not other way around" there is so much truth to that. There are guys that will have a $@!& ton of pedals and just make noise, and maybe have a phase shifter on full blast with no consideration for what its doing and how to make it work for their sound. There are other guys who have an amp and a guitar and make it sound like a Stradivarius. IMO if you're going to use effects pedals, its more interesting to take say a phase shifter and use it musically to compliment the song and not just have it on cause it makes your guitar sound different... anyway that's my thought.

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Arjay

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AAAAHHHH! (slap my hand to my forehead) been out so long did not relate !

It's actually used now as a form of jocular teasing by retired members of the other uniformed services. I think the jarheads originated the term but some soldiers and airmen use it as well.

Sorry for the confusion.

Arjay

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dang KC you up and switched the flow of the post.
i understand where your coming from on this, in a way.
as for the tail chasers, sometimes ya gotta leave them to their quest.
they will soon enough and in their own time figure things out like some of us old school guys. they have to fall down a few times before they realize
that its always gonna be 1 foot in front of the other to get going in any direction they will want to go. sure they will then go full speed ahead and
as fast as lightning to get there. then they will again soon enough and in their own time learn another lesson, slow down and enjoy the sights and sounds along the way.
its like watching a child learn to ride a bike.
you watch them bust azz several times and run out to make sure everything is ok. you comfort them and assure them that they are ok and encourage them to try again. well it gets to the point that they will wreck again, this time you watch but want so bad to go pick them up again, but you dont. you wait and watch them do it themselves.
its at that point he/she starts to learn several valuable lessons they will carry with them into maturity. same thing here.
as several know know i quit playing for 15/16 yrs. didnt touch anything, nothing. didnt get rid of my old rig either.
time went by and i started back up again this yr. its been hell.
i realized i didnt want to use my old heavymetal rig any more.
didnt want to use the guitars even. hell, didnt want to even hear the stuff.
none of it was the tone i was looking for. i didnt have the taste for any of it. so i went out and bought new stuff or new to me.
the heavymetal in me was no more KC. i went through what i just mentioned above to the point i know what im saying to be fact in this reply. been there and done it.
im currently building a new rig, a new way of life lets say, going back to where it all started in the first place, the blues.
oh sure the old rig is still A+ and a very sweet rig at that. ive even went and bought more pedals. i use to be a BOSS $@!&#. only BOSS would do.
i branched out and tried something different. the rule, buy what ya want
but no BOSS. forced me to be a little more open about things i was very strict about. found me some nice stuff.
hell the group here as a witness, i use to hate clapton. couldnt stand his as a player. thought he was the most overrated guy ever.
well i even changed my mind on him. theres a big post in the lounge about it a month or so ago. i actually listen to the guy now. i dont think hes God by any means, but i have a new found respect for him and in part due to some of the folks on this forum.
so yeah let the guys go tail chasing. point them in the right directions.
they will come into the truths on their own and in their own time, just like i did. my only regrets? i didnt learn music theory and i stopped playing for 16yrs.

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I am with Mike on this one. Plug and play.....I can get some very sweet sounds with out alot of doodads and shtuff.

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way cool jr said


Some times you have to play the Devils Advocate to get a point across waycool.
Like you I had to stop playing and not of my own chooseing.Because of an old Nam war wound
I had to be rebuilt almost from the ground up and for almost 13 years and at the end being in a wheel chair thinking I would never play again.
well once they got me back on my feet after being on the table 18 time's it also caused me to rethink music.
Kris Kristofferson once said after her got his masters in music theory it took him several years to forget it because modern music contradicts theory from the get go.
Over the years I have just set back and read the fender forum to help keep me on the sane side and in doing so I started to feel the need to share to the ones who would listen
some of the thoughts and changes it put me thought and hoping just hoping that it may be of some help to the one’s that I call lost looking for the holly grail.
Being 62 years of age I would like to see some of the younger ones carry the torch because I feel there is too much value put on the candy of music and not what it is really all about.
YA YA I know this is all on the heavy side but when you have walked my path it makes you that way.and this was just a way with a twist to share those thoughts.
Damn I need to get out and start gigging again and get a life!
JONESZZZZZZZING

i'd have to agree with kcfireball's opening statement.

your last post really cleared things up and in a hurry.
i see exactly what your saying about carrying the torch.
i follow and understand completely.
im 41 yrs old. i remember days of when the mother could go to the store and get things on credit until the end of the week just because of the type of man her husband was. not that he was a mean guy or that he held some position of power, but because he was a man of his word and
a productive member of the community.
i remember when we would leave the house for the day as a family, windows wide open, doors open and unlocked, and we didnt worry about a thing. our neighbors had a solid eye on our home. if it started to rain
it was common practice to walk in and shut the windows and doors.
today we have to lock our doors because of our neighbors.
i remember when as a kid, if we were out and got caught acting a fool, whomever caught us busted our azz and sent us home. oh we got it again when dad got home. its the way it was. we said grace and we used yes
ma'am and no ma'am at all times. "yeah" wasnt a word it was a warning you were about to get your azz beat if you used it when addressing an adult in conversation. i remember when you didnt let a lady carry anything
you carried for her.
you dont see any of this any more. if you do its because the kid has old school parents like me who grew up in such away and still value
"the way it was".
so yes i know what you mean by your above post. i follow you 100%.
oh and i want to thank you for your time served so that i could continue to grow up in the fashion that i did. my opinion, you guys are owed but thats another story for another place, and that, is the way it still is.

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Waycool
with a heart like yours it restores my faith
Thank you

well it might suprise for you to know, at the first of the yr my 1st purchase of the yr will be a 335ish type of guitar and a blackface 1965 bassman amp. the amp is original.
the amp a buddy is holding for me. to many other things going on right now to buy it.
the 335 will be likely a epiphone dot or sheridon.
either will be played with the bassman. at low volumes i will be using a fulltone OCD pedal. when i have the opp to turn it up i'll let the amp sing with its own voice as pretty as it is, no OCD pedal. i might use a compressor just to keep things tight but thats it.
there are rules to this candy game lol. no setup like this should be flavored
any other way than what i mentioned, even with this i might be going to far. a semi hollow body shouldnt be mudded up with very much at all extra. maybe just a sniff of some OD at lower volumes. i think my choices will sound very nice together.
KC i didnt get the opportunity to welcome you to the forums.
i would like to take that opportunity now if i may.
im sure your gonna have some very cool posts and some interesting ideas
for us to read.

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"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

Fireball, thank you for your service and sacrifice. Much respect.

Back in the day as us gizzers would say, I had a 1965 Gibson 335 with a bigsby.I loved the guitar but with rock & roll and the close space on most stages then I fought feedback most of the time. One guy I know had a 335 also and had the idea of filling it with a new product on the market at that time called Great-Stuff, well unknowing to him once that stuff comes out of the can it expands almost 2 to 3 time the volume. It left his 335 in many pieces on the floor.

Uh oh......better get MAACO!



Arjay

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