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way cool jr wrote:
if it were not effective so many guitar builders wouldnt do it.
it costs more to glue a neck than to screw one on.
theres no substitute for a sold piece of wood.
do i think that the wood effects the magnetic field of the pickup? not so much. do i believe that the wood effects how long that pickup is allowed to ring, hell yes it does. there are other factors that effect the duration as well.
pickup, bridge choice, string choice, nut choice, all these things play a major role in how long/short a note will ring on that solid piece of wood.
Wood has zero effect on the pickups magnetic field. The position of the pick effects the field, as in how close and orientation to where along the string. That will effect the wave form of the string and where the string wave is being read from. Neck type and wood mass all effect the natural frequency of a string and its rate of decay.
Even changing the mass of the strings them self effect sound.

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yep! :wink:

Hey Hop: the Ninja and CV both on one thread. Feels like this website is getting back to normal - good, huh? :D :D :D

Cheers - C
Ceri, been off a little lately. Trying to find steady regular work and a few health issues.
Hell even the Hemi Ram let me down at 42000 miles so I had to get rid of it while the getting was good. Replaced it with a new Chevy Silverado.

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Ceri wrote:
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yep! :wink:

Hey Hop: the Ninja and CV both on one thread. Feels like this website is getting back to normal - good, huh? :D :D :D

Cheers - C


Yes it does feel good to bring back some of the old timers and a touch civility!! :)


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Really can't see what the problem is here. He offered you advice and you responded with sarcasm. If you think that's bad customer service you should come and live in England, he seems positively polite in comparison to some of the idiot dealers I've encountered.


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way cool jr wrote:
if it were not effective so many guitar builders wouldnt do it.
it costs more to glue a neck than to screw one on.
theres no substitute for a sold piece of wood.
do i think that the wood effects the magnetic field of the pickup? not so much. do i believe that the wood effects how long that pickup is allowed to ring, hell yes it does. there are other factors that effect the duration as well.
pickup, bridge choice, string choice, nut choice, all these things play a major role in how long/short a note will ring on that solid piece of wood.


Way Cool.

It costs no more or less in modern production to glue a neck, than it does to screw one on. The things are cut by machines, all you have to do is wait 24 hours for the glue to set. It's not a appreciable factor in a guitar that takes a week or two to make from start to finish.
Pickups don't ring, it's not how they work. The pickup generates a magnetic field, which is disturbed by the string vibrating.

How is a set neck a solid join, when theres a load of glue between the two bits of wood? Surely if anything would hamper resonance/tone transfer from the neck, a load of rubbery glue inbetween two bits of wood would.
The fact is that set neck guitars dont suffer because of it, why? Because it doesn't matter. Infact Gibson use a tiny shim in their neck joint of the les paul to set the angle of the neck. Open one up, theres very little neck to body contact, or rather neck to glue to body contact. Epiphone do a much better job and cut the angle into the tennon of the neck.
The nut affects nothing other than open strings. It simply doesnt come into play on fretted notes. Take it from someone who's spent weeks designing nuts.
Saddles do play a part in a guitars sound, as does the break angle over the saddle, or even the break angle of the nut on a open string. The bridge less so.

Whether you or I prefer set neck or bolt on, it matters little from a design point. Guitars are made with set necks for one reason alone. It's the same reason why some are made with bolt on necks. It's more appealing and sells to certain customers.
Thats why products are hyped up beyond belief. So that we believe the sales marketing and justify spending a stupid amount of money on something.

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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:40 am
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Here's the top/base loader from Wilkinson, for the princely sum of £24.

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Hate to nit-pick, but that bridge won't fit the original poster's American Standard without drilling new holes. The AS Teles have a different drilling pattern than vintage-style Teles and MIM Standards.


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fhopkins wrote:
Ceri wrote:
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yep! :wink:

Hey Hop: the Ninja and CV both on one thread. Feels like this website is getting back to normal - good, huh? :D :D :D

Cheers - C


Yes it does feel good to bring back some of the old timers and a touch civility!! :)
:mrgreen:

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Ceri, been off a little lately. Trying to find steady regular work and a few health issues.
Hell even the Hemi Ram let me down at 42000 miles so I had to get rid of it while the getting was good. Replaced it with a new Chevy Silverado.

Just for a second there I thought you were talking about Forum user HemiRam. That was odd... :lol:

Don't like the sound of the health issues. Big mojo coming to ya from far away. :)

All the best to you - C


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George wrote:
nikininja wrote:
Here's the top/base loader from Wilkinson, for the princely sum of £24.

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Hate to nit-pick, but that bridge won't fit the original poster's American Standard without drilling new holes. The AS Teles have a different drilling pattern than vintage-style Teles and MIM Standards.


George (and others) - Any idea who makes "Ash Tray" style bridges that will adapt to MIA and MIM Tele's w/o having to drill the extra holes?

That problem is stopping several MIM Tele build projects I want to do.

Thanks,

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Ricky, all of the MIM "normal" Teles (I'm using normal instead of standard to avoid confusion with the Standard Telecaster) have the vintage style drilling pattern, so that Wilkinson bridge will bolt right on, as will the Fender 52RI bridge and most aftermarket Tele bridges.

Speaking of MIM Standard Teles - even though those bridges look like an American Standard bridges at a glance, they have the vintage style drilling pattern too.

Obviously, non-"normal" Teles like the '72 Telecaster Deluxe (Strat-style bridge) and the Nashville Power Tele (Fishman bridge) aren't part of this.

As for American Standards, there's Callaham and Glendale. I can't think of any others right off hand.

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That problem is stopping several MIM Tele build projects I want to do.


What body/bodies do you want to use?


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Fender has made top-loader Telecasters occasionally, the first time in the late '50s ('57-'58 from what I've read), and then later, too.

From what I gather, it's just a matter of personal opinion of "which is better". Some people like it, some don't. I've never personally played one.

If Callahan doesn't like it (or refuses to make it), let it roll off your back. My rule of thumb: If it won't matter when your life flashes before your eyes, it doesn't matter.

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Ceri wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
Ceri, been off a little lately. Trying to find steady regular work and a few health issues.
Hell even the Hemi Ram let me down at 42000 miles so I had to get rid of it while the getting was good. Replaced it with a new Chevy Silverado.

Just for a second there I thought you were talking about Forum user HemiRam. That was odd... :lol:

Don't like the sound of the health issues. Big mojo coming to ya from far away. :)

All the best to you - C


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Hi Ceri, I'm sending Chi- mojo to CV too, feel better CV, hope you land a job soon Bro, Niki thanks for the info, I couldn't figure out why Blackie rang out longer than Love in the open position, Blackie has a stock nut and I replaced the nut on Love with a ( forgive me for this one ) $5. pre-slotted nut. I should replace it again in the near future with a better one.

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George wrote:
I can't think of any others right off hand...

Just for the sake of completeness we could add the nice solid looking Hipshot Tele bridges. One of these has the compensated Wilkinson style barrel saddles too, and appears also to be topload-able. I'm going to let others think about screw patterns though:

http://store.hipshotproducts.com/cart.p ... _list&c=38

Also, I have a notion Gotoh do some other Tele bridges in addition to the Wilkinson line. I seem to recall options in different metals and such. Worth looking into maybe...?

Good luck - C

PS: And cheers to SBLS. :D


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nikininja wrote:

Don't fall for the hype. The sound comes from the pickups, tronics and to a lesser degree the saddles and nut. The things that are on the talk length of the string. Body/neck woods may play a part in that. I'd love for someone to explain to me exactly how much of a part they do play and how you measure it accurately.


You just made my day right there man.

If I run across a guitar that I feel sounds a little dead or isn't quite sustaining, I'll swap pickups until I find a set of pickups that brings it to life.

I do think that different guitars react differently to the same pickups. But I'm not such an expert that I can describe why, nor do I want to be. If a guitar sounds too bassy with a certain set of pickups, I'll swap them out for some brighter pickups (or vise verse). Simple as that. Works every time. No need to get a new guitar over it.

I also believe it's a myth that a guitar neck that is a piece of maple can make any different of a sound than a neck with a rosewood top glued on to a piece of maple. For the life of me, I never understood how that could be possible.

As for the break angle in the bridge thing.. Meh. Seriously?? As long as the string isn't buzzing in the saddle due to not enough of a break angle, I fail to see what the problem would be. Why would it be any different for a Strat body as opposed to a Tele body?

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Ceri wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
Ceri, been off a little lately. Trying to find steady regular work and a few health issues.
Hell even the Hemi Ram let me down at 42000 miles so I had to get rid of it while the getting was good. Replaced it with a new Chevy Silverado.

Just for a second there I thought you were talking about Forum user HemiRam. That was odd... :lol:

Don't like the sound of the health issues. Big mojo coming to ya from far away. :)

All the best to you - C


+1

Hi Ceri, I'm sending Chi- mojo to CV too, feel better CV, hope you land a job soon Bro, Niki thanks for the info, I couldn't figure out why Blackie rang out longer than Love in the open position, Blackie has a stock nut and I replaced the nut on Love with a ( forgive me for this one ) $5. pre-slotted nut. I should replace it again in the near future with a better one.
Thanks for the Mojo My Friends!!!!

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