I agree that you brought it on yourself,he gave you an answer that was bare bones,no frill,and you replied in a smart a** way,and you got a smart a** reply.
I would imagine you don't like some of the remarks here also.

Well Hello to you two, too.

Here's the top/base loader from Wilkinson, for the princely sum of £24.



I know it's not the best photo in the world, but if you look carefully you can just see the toploader holes.
Better views to be had here.
http://www.ivormairants.co.uk/wilkinson-wtbcr-tele-bridge-chrome.html?utm_source=base&utm_medium=googlebase&utm_content=WTBCR&utm_campaign=gbase_uk

Funny aint it. Lets have a look at Bill's statement. "I couldn't in good concience sell a top loading bridge".

That reduced break angle over the saddles has never done Gibson, or any of the other Tune'o'matic bridge using manufacturers any harm. Infact a lot of players load into the stoptail section backwards, and then come over the top of the stop tail to the saddle. To further reduce the break angle.


Is this guy going to start making up stories about them too.

So yeah, I'd say Ryan is right. One thing though mate. Soon as he come his nonsense, he wouldn't have gotten another reply from me. That was your mistake. The guys caught up in his own hype.

A lot of people mistakenly screw the stoptail section of their guitars right down to the top of the body, then wonder why they plough through saddles and break strings all the time.
It's the one advantage of the tune'o'matic bridge design that you can lessen the break angle.
Let's face a fact here, much as I hate to admit it. Gibson have always had a better understanding of exactly whats needed when it comes to these mysterious break angles, than Fender. Hence the complete lack of Gibson string tree's at the other end of the string.

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Ha. Not only is that perfectly reasonable - it's also how I string a Les Paul myself. So I can hardly object!

Now then. What about better transmission of sound by having the strings pass through the body on the Telecaster? Shoot that one down for us as well, if you'd be so kind, Ninja!

Gosh, we have to get back on our toes round here now, don't we?

Cheers - C

Easy.

I don't believe that having the string passing through the body does anything for the sound of the guitar, one way or the other.

Doesn't it increase sustain?
Well I don't believe so. The guitars that are noted for huge, long sustain dont have strings through the body either.

Those guitars have glued in necks....

So glue your neck in and see how much difference it makes. The Jackson Stealth/Soloist has neck through and doesn't get much, if any benefit in sustain over a Dinky which has a bolt on neck.

Doesn't the down pressure increase the tonal response of the guitar?

No when the saddles are pressed down their pressed down. Whether thats 110lb "2 or 2lb"2 it's pressed down. Do you really think that a soundwave so distorted from passing through layers of materials with different densities. Heavy density ones squashing the soundwave, lighter densities allowing it to expand, is going to do anything for your guitars sound?
Ask yourself whether a vibrating soundwave or body resonance would have a easier or harder time passing between two objects that were pressed together so tightly you cant move em, or not so tightly, that the object could still move with the vibration?

Don't fall for the hype. The sound comes from the pickups, tronics and to a lesser degree the saddles and nut. The things that are on the talk length of the string. Body/neck woods may play a part in that. I'd love for someone to explain to me exactly how much of a part they do play and how you measure it accurately.

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yep!

i have two different tele's that have the same pickups and hardware.
they are basicly the same guitars with different bridges. one laces strings through the body whiletheother laces via the bridge.
theres a noticable difference in sustain between the two.

does sound travel faster through water or air?
Sound does not travel at the same speed in air as it does in water. In dry air at 20o C it travels about 343 meters/second. In water it travels 4.3 times as fast.
this fact leads me to believe that the more solid the subject that sound is to travel through the better. so a glued on neck is way better for sustain than a bolt on.

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"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

For whales and dolphins--water!

sound is sound. doesnt matter who or where the sound is coming from.

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"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

Yeah, sound is sound alright.

explain

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"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

explain what? I was agreeing with you!

But sound doesnt travel through the neck. The pickups pickup the vibration of the string and send it through to the amplifier.

It's not like a acoustic guitar where the body/neck wood, construction and shape become the amplifier.

Do you really think that the way a body resonates affects the magnetic field of the pickup or the vibration of the string to any appreciable degree?

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I agree with you Chet, I think it went wrong when Ryan said
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Wow, ok thank you for convincing me to not do business with you again. I guess I should get rid of my other top loading guitars as well. I will take my money to someone else. Thanks.
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Until then I think Bill was being nice about it. And to answer himself says something also.

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if it were not effective so many guitar builders wouldnt do it.
it costs more to glue a neck than to screw one on.
theres no substitute for a sold piece of wood.
do i think that the wood effects the magnetic field of the pickup? not so much. do i believe that the wood effects how long that pickup is allowed to ring, hell yes it does. there are other factors that effect the duration as well.
pickup, bridge choice, string choice, nut choice, all these things play a major role in how long/short a note will ring on that solid piece of wood.

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"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

Hey Hop: the Ninja and CV both on one thread. Feels like this website is getting back to normal - good, huh?

Cheers - C