And because they come here with no money they end up in the low socioeconomic group which are more likely to commit crimes so your wrong there. Also they suck up tax payer dollars by being allowed into programs because politicians feel sorry for them and want there vote so they don't want to deal with putting them in a bus and sending them home. Plus Captain did I read you right that you told SBLS to go patrol the borders then? Is that what its going to take the people arming and doing it for them selfs? If it keeps going as status quo them days may happen, not the first country in the world to implode do to a difference in peoples thoughts and it won't be the last.

cv you should read more carefully, stay on point, and not take things out of context.

first, i said that illegals are no more likely to commit crimes than anyone here legally in the same socio-economic group.

second, this thread is discussing the merit of the arizona immigration law not whether or not we should provide social services for illegal immigrants, an entirely different issue.

lastly, my response to solid body love songs was referencing his feeling that obama wasn't doing enough about the issue because he was taking time out to celebrate a birthday. i merely pointed out that if he thought obama should be in crisis mode than maybe he should be in crisis mode.

captain eyeball wrote:
again you stone walled although you tried to answer my concern. even if only 2 states change their laws confusion in this area will ensue. and i don't agree with your statement that the federal government will say just about anything to appear right.

no comment

captain eyeball wrote:
and why you would expect anyone including the president to stop living his life by celebrating a birthday and go into crisis mode and only deal with the immigration issue is ridiculous and is not pertinent to this threads discussion of the arizona immigration law.

I guess with 2 wars, an invasion by illegal immigrants, destruction of the Gulf of Mexico, 1 job for every 3 looking, people still losing their homes to foreclosure, a war zone in the big guy's hometown, and I'll stop there, don't you think that a little cake in the Oval Office with his family and ones close to him would look much better? If asked, "why such a small celebration?" he could say something like, "We as a country have a lot of work to do so I will be staying in Washington until there are some marked improvements on many of the issues facing us", I used the we and us words that he used so much during his campaign, they worked well then and could help again.

captain eyeball wrote:
why don't you go into crisis mode...stop posting on the fender message board, cease writing your love songs, and playing musical instruments, sell everything you own and move to arizona and volunteer to patrol the boarder until the immigration problem is solved.

I'm thinking walking along the border with a pad and pencil stopping periodically to strum a new chord progression on my guitar doesn't scare the illegals in my neighborhood so I doubt any of the desperado's on the border would notice me there.

captain eyeball wrote:
if you are expecting the president to go into crisis mode over this and you are so concerned, why don't you put your money where your mouth is?

I didn't spend 20 million dollars to get a job that only pays a half mil, so,
captain you probably know the answer as to why a person would do such a ridiculous thing, and, you can be right all of the time here, if you insist, so you are right and every one else isn't, that should make you feel better.

¡No entiendas mierda, ladrone!

So stop pretending that you do!

I've recovered the bodies of poor campesinos who died tragically out in the desert due to exposure and abuse from coyotes, I've seen the "rape trees" where the coyotes had their way with the women and children, I've helped clean up traffic accident scenes where 14 or 15 souls met their maker because some coyote refused to put decent tires on his van, I've heard the gunfire from narco-traficantes not a block and a half from my own home as they shot it out with both our local PD and US customs agents. And I personally knew Rob Kreuntz.

Your histrionic protestations are meaningless.

Arjay

The reason for the Arizona law is because they are using social programs that they can no longer afford. And yes they are more likely to commit crimes because they come here with no resources and are in the lower socioeconomic group that does commit more crimes don't we have enough people in this position already? None of that is off point. Who pays for there health care, education, welfare and other assistance. All these things are the point of Arizona's law along with the fact the federal government is not doing enough.

if you say so.......

This should do it and probably save us money, our own version of the DMZ along Mexican boarder.

Nothing wrong with the law. Something wrong with the Feds.

I'm already there, ABS -- the Huachuca Mountains.

One thing the illegals are fond of doing is to start a forest fire in one area and wait for all the first responders, police, fire, border patrol etc to deploy there. Then they sneak across another undefended part of the county. A lot of homeowners and ranchers have been totally burned out in this manner but you'll never hear that from the lame-stream media. I'm now strapped 24/7/365.

Arjay