It was estimated that Maryland was giving out over 1000 Drivers license's to illegals per week until two years ago. That was the reason the Motor voter law was put into effect many years ago so as to register them to vote at the same time. They claim they tried to make it more difficult as the Feds said they had too but they passed a state bill that allows illegals that already have a license are allowed to renew them when needed. Recently it was found that 42 drivers license were given to illegal aliens using the address of a Rockville shopping center and many were registered to vote. Maryland has been run by one party for over 50 years. They do what ever they want because the cattle vote as they are told.

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captain eyeball wrote:
"if you think the arizona law is right...how do you deal with this legitimate concern?......"
I thought passing the law was right and the best way to deal but the fed has different ideas that are not known by us

"how do you settle the argument the federal government has made, that matters regarding immigration have been and are federal law, and to allow individual states to set their own immigration law will result in possibly 50 different immigration laws thereby causing an enormous amount of confusion?"

I am pretty sure all 50 states aren't going to change immigration laws because all 50 states aren't experiencing the same immigration problems and thought the fed will say just about anything to make it appear as if they are right. AZ has a huge problem and as I said in an earlier post the big guy's birthday party is happening as I'm typing this, that is the most important gov. thing happening today but guaranteed illegal immigrants are steaming across our southern border birthday or no.

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again you stone walled although you tried to answer my concern. even if only 2 states change their laws confusion in this area will ensue. and i don't agree with your statement that the federal government will say just about anything to appear right.

and why you would expect anyone including the president to stop living his life by celebrating a birthday and go into crisis mode and only deal with the immigration issue is ridiculous and is not pertinent to this threads discussion of the arizona immigration law.

why don't you go into crisis mode...stop posting on the fender message board, cease writing your love songs, and playing musical instruments, sell everything you own and move to arizona and volunteer to patrol the boarder until the immigration problem is solved.

if you are expecting the president to go into crisis mode over this and you are so concerned, why don't you put your money where your mouth is?

fair enough.

i am not trying to preach to anybody.

i am not sure what kind of response you expected from me when you flippantly accused me of drinking kool-aid rather than addressing the substance of my post.

i believe there is a problem with illegal immigration but i disagree with the arizona law.

a better approach would be going after anyone that hires an illegal including people hiring day laborers.

if the illegal job market dried up most illegal immigration would drop dramatically.

Or they'll just commit more crimes.

With the numbers that are coming over, we're basically being invaded, that's how I look at it. And I don't know why any american wouldn't want to try and stop that.

who are they and why do you think they would commit more crimes?

most illegals are law abiding, other than their immigration status, and extremely hard working doing jobs most americans won't do. illegals are no more likly to commit crimes then those that are here legally taking into considerations the socio-economic status of each.

yours and others characterization of the illegal immigration problem as an invasion is irresponsible political hyperbole.

Most illegals are law abiding????

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They = illegal immigrants, and I think they would commit more crimes because they would need money. Same reason crime goes up in a lot of areas.



I live in AZ? How about you? I see and hear what happens here everyday. I think not trying to stop it is irresponsible. And I think we should be doing a lot more than we are.

Your out of your mind if you think there are no Americans willing to do these construction jobs that you see illegals doing on every job sites!!!!! And because they come here with no money they end up in the low socioeconomic group which are more likely to commit crimes so your wrong there. Also they suck up tax payer dollars by being allowed into programs because politicians feel sorry for them and want there vote so they don't want to deal with putting them in a bus and sending them home. Plus Captain did I read you right that you told SBLS to go patrol the borders then? Is that what its going to take the people arming and doing it for them selfs? If it keeps going as status quo them days may happen, not the first country in the world to implode do to a difference in peoples thoughts and it won't be the last.

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Willing to do jobs Americans won't do!?!?

My dad owns a construction bussiness and has many hard working Americans willing to work there, and people coming in every week to apply for a job.
On the other hand some of the Mexican workers he has had in the past were some of the worst workers my dad has ever seen, they had poor attitudes, poor work habits and would steal from the company.

"most illegals are law abiding". Hahaha...not around here buddy. Nice try though.

forreal, illegals law abiding my arse.

¡No entiendas mierda, ladrone!

So stop pretending that you do!

I've recovered the bodies of poor campesinos who died tragically out in the desert due to exposure and abuse from coyotes, I've seen the "rape trees" where the coyotes had their way with the women and children, I've helped clean up traffic accident scenes where 14 or 15 souls met their maker because some coyote refused to put decent tires on his van, I've heard the gunfire from narco-traficantes not a block and a half from my own home as they shot it out with both our local PD and US customs agents. And I personally knew Rob Kreuntz.

Your histrionic protestations are meaningless.

Arjay

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notice i said other than their immigration status.

captain eyeball wrote:
again you stone walled although you tried to answer my concern. even if only 2 states change their laws confusion in this area will ensue. and i don't agree with your statement that the federal government will say just about anything to appear right.

no comment

captain eyeball wrote:
and why you would expect anyone including the president to stop living his life by celebrating a birthday and go into crisis mode and only deal with the immigration issue is ridiculous and is not pertinent to this threads discussion of the arizona immigration law.

I guess with 2 wars, an invasion by illegal immigrants, destruction of the Gulf of Mexico, 1 job for every 3 looking, people still losing their homes to foreclosure, a war zone in the big guy's hometown, and I'll stop there, don't you think that a little cake in the Oval Office with his family and ones close to him would look much better? If asked, "why such a small celebration?" he could say something like, "We as a country have a lot of work to do so I will be staying in Washington until there are some marked improvements on many of the issues facing us", I used the we and us words that he used so much during his campaign, they worked well then and could help again.

captain eyeball wrote:
why don't you go into crisis mode...stop posting on the fender message board, cease writing your love songs, and playing musical instruments, sell everything you own and move to arizona and volunteer to patrol the boarder until the immigration problem is solved.

I'm thinking walking along the border with a pad and pencil stopping periodically to strum a new chord progression on my guitar doesn't scare the illegals in my neighborhood so I doubt any of the desperado's on the border would notice me there.

captain eyeball wrote:
if you are expecting the president to go into crisis mode over this and you are so concerned, why don't you put your money where your mouth is?

I didn't spend 20 million dollars to get a job that only pays a half mil, so,
captain you probably know the answer as to why a person would do such a ridiculous thing, and, you can be right all of the time here, if you insist, so you are right and every one else isn't, that should make you feel better.

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