Actually I find it surprising that they stopped you at all. I lived in Germany for 9 years and was never stopped and asked for ID at all (nor was my wife or children). In fact, while in Europe, I was never stopped in any of the countries that I visited. The only place my wife has ever been stopped is the United States and that has happened more than once.

I'm torn. The general premise of the law is fine and completley understandable. However, there is so much institutionalized racism in the US, I don't think it's practical. It's too easy for the wrong person too abuse.

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The law does not say stop and ask people where they are from to check residence status. It says that when a Officer stops some one for another reason such as investagating a crime they are to ask. If they find you are illegal then you are detained for proper authorites. I don't know about you but when ever a Policemen has stop me in the past he has asked my name and other information, whats the freaking problem with that?
And doing all my travels in Europe I was required to have a passport. Plus if a Officer gets a call as simple as a Drunk being disorderly or something like two people arguing shoud he not be able to ask there name and where they live and in the process be able to see if they are here illegaly?

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CV, you are right absolutely, that the Federal Govt. keeps attacking the people of America is alarming. Like they weren't elected, but, are mercenaries brought here to destroy the country. The AZ law mirrors the Fed law, the Fed should have been extremely happy but weren't. Confusing times.

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you can save the world with your guitar one love song at a time it's just better, more fun, easier with a fender solid body electric guitar or electric bass guitar.

if you agree with the arizona law how do you settle the argument the federal government has made, that matters regarding immigration have been and are federal law, and to allow individual states to set their own immigration law will result in possibly 50 different immigration laws thereby causing an enormous amount of confusion?

also, please explain how the federal government is attacking the people of america? since we the people are the government through our elected representatives. if you don't like the actions of your congressman or senators and the president than i urge you to take an active roll in the political process and help elect people that share your political philosophy. your statement that the federal government is attacking the people of america is irresponsible rhetoric that does nothing to bring people together to solve our difficult problems. it smacks of the ignorance of the tea party people who have named their movement after the boston tea party...as though they are akin to the colonist that tossed the tea into boston harbor. the colonist that did that really were facing an oppressive government and had no ability to elect representatives to the english parliment. whereas today's tea party is protesting a legitimate government that they had every chance to help elect.

REALLY!

You've been drinking too much......

Of this!



Arjay

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you need to take a remedial civics class. oh and lay off the kool-aid it seems that you have had too much sugar... that coupled with the heat in arizona has clouded you ability to reason and think clearly.

Don't you presume to teach it, mister.

If Arizona were to secede from the union, you can bet your last Euro that Obama would deploy federal troops down here to deter that in a heartbeat.

Yet that same federal government refuses to send those troops here to forestall what is now acknowledged to be an unprecedented invasion by foreign nationals who do not have our best interests at heart, despite overwhelming political support nationwide for such prophylactic action.

Get a grip.

Arjay

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captain eyeball wrote:
"also, please explain how the federal government is attacking the people of america? since we the people are the government through our elected representatives."

the attack, by criticizing AZ for making a pro-active decision to have a state law to help with, out of control, illegal immigrant problems since the Fed law is being ignored by the fed who won't help troubled states. Half of the people voting in the past election are being represented leaving the rest of us on the sidelines pretty much. You have to see a pattern of attacks by the fed since this past election on anyone not in their camp.

"how do you settle the argument the federal government has made"

by enforcing the existing fed laws but right now there is a birthday party going on here because a certain motorcade just created a traffic jam for about an hour makes you wonder how many of Arizona's citizens are being murdered by illegals while all of the rich guys are eating birthday cake. I don't have anything against being rich as long as you didn't get that way by raiding the country's tax coffers.

I'm sure you'll disagree.

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you can save the world with your guitar one love song at a time it's just better, more fun, easier with a fender solid body electric guitar or electric bass guitar.

i stand by my statement that you need to take a remedial civics class. your last post clearly illustrates that...but i will not waste my time try to teach you anything since obviously you have everything figured out.

it is telling that you mentioned obama since that is really what this is about...your hatred of him and the fact that he is president.

where was your outrage during the eight years of inactivity regarding the enforcement of federal immigration law during the bush years?

your characterization of the situation as an invasion is nothing but heated mindless rhetoric.

are you equally outraged of all the canadians that are here illegally in our country or is it just the brown skin masses coming over the border from mexico and central america?

if you think the arizona law is right...how do you deal with this legitimate concern?......

how do you settle the argument the federal government has made, that matters regarding immigration have been and are federal law, and to allow individual states to set their own immigration law will result in possibly 50 different immigration laws thereby causing an enormous amount of confusion?

Are not local authorities supposed to enforce federal laws as well as local law? The federal government turning a blind eye in order to protect a voting block is a travesty. Over 100 thousand illegals are entering this country each month and in the past two years we have not had more then 50 thousand jobs created in any month. Give you any ideas as to how to help with unemployment? Give ideas as to help lower welfare cost? Give you ideas how to lower health care cost? Want to cut back on gangs?
Enforce immigration, close the boarder entirely. The U.S can not sustain the growth of our population in this manner no longer we have enough in the melting pot.
Our infrastructure is sinking fast we need to spend on Water, Roads, Bridges, Utilities, look around most cities infrastructures are old and in need over repair or replacement. We can not afford to hand money out or spend it on those who are not U.S. citizens but have come here for a better life.
Look at the countries around the world in the last 30 years the have broken up because of class, race, nationality from war within. Look at the programs of Spain, Greece struggling to survive. You are kidding yourself if you think the U.S. is immune'd to this happening in the next 50 years.

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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

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i don't have a problem with arizona or any other state enforcing federal law. however, i do have a problem with state government usurping federal power through legislation and I also have a problem with the federal government usurping state power through legislation.

something i just heard was that if u apply for a drivers license u dont need 2 show ur proof of residence and ur eligible 2 vote. no wander the Democrats want a weak imagration system cuz most of these illegals vote democrat.
(not sure if this applys to all states)

I was equally outraged during the era of the "frat boy" and frequently wrote letters to my congresswoman and both senators (they're RINOs and she's a clueless utopian).

As for Canadians who've entered the US unlawfully, they need to be expatriated back to their country......as should anybody who's in violation of the law.

My city -- less than 20 kilometers from the Mexican frontier -- bears the brunt of illegal immigration 24/7/365. Go preach to someone else. Or come down here and learn for yourself what the practical effects of the border chaos that passes for federal "management" are.

Arjay

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