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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:56 pm
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Who's with me here? I do not care what the headstock of my guitar says because it makes almost no difference I don't care if it says Fender or Gibson, Squier or Epiphone, Silvertone or Danelectro because it does not matter it all boils down to your preferences and how the guitar sounds and feels to YOU the brand on the headstock is just a formality and really means nothing, my reasoning here is that I own Several guitars ranging from Silvertone to Yamaha to Fender and in terms of feel and sound the $100 Slilvertone acoustics I have are some of the best acoustics I have ever had the joy of playing let alone own, and one of my favorite guitars I have is my very first electric which is a Squier Affinity Strat it just feels right and has some of the most beautiful clean sounds you will ever hear. Yes I primarily play a Fender Telecaster but not for the name on the headstock or how much it cost or simply what it is, I play it because it feels good in my hands and sounds good to me and that is really what it boils down to.


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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:16 pm
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d3nyd94 wrote:
Who's with me here? I do not care what the headstock of my guitar says because it makes almost no difference I don't care if it says Fender or Gibson, Squier or Epiphone, Silvertone or Danelectro because it does not matter it all boils down to your preferences and how the guitar sounds and feels to YOU the brand on the headstock is just a formality and really means nothing, my reasoning here is that I own Several guitars ranging from Silvertone to Yamaha to Fender and in terms of feel and sound the $100 Slilvertone acoustics I have are some of the best acoustics I have ever had the joy of playing let alone own, and one of my favorite guitars I have is my very first electric which is a Squier Affinity Strat it just feels right and has some of the most beautiful clean sounds you will ever hear. Yes I primarily play a Fender Telecaster but not for the name on the headstock or how much it cost or simply what it is, I play it because it feels good in my hands and sounds good to me and that is really what it boils down to.


Wow......I mean, like wow.
From your posting I have gleaned two things....

1) You are a young player.

2) You have allot to learn.

It took me 30 years to find an acoustic guitar that will just sing in my hands, and no I didn't care what the headstock said, it happened to be a Gibson custom shop CE-20 starlight, but that is not the point, there is a world of difference between a 100 dollar guitar and the 3000 dollar one.

As to the Sqire line, I have yet to pick one up that has impressed me in the least, but that is me, and i am not you, if it's good to then so be it, as you learn and play more, you will find it's short comings and move up to a better made guitar.

But what do I know, my other guitar is MIM or a Peavey.

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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:25 pm
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d3nyd94 wrote:
Who's with me here? I do not care what the headstock of my guitar says because it makes almost no difference I don't care if it says Fender or Gibson, Squier or Epiphone, Silvertone or Danelectro because it does not matter it all boils down to your preferences and how the guitar sounds and feels to YOU the brand on the headstock is just a formality and really means nothing, my reasoning here is that I own Several guitars ranging from Silvertone to Yamaha to Fender and in terms of feel and sound the $100 Slilvertone acoustics I have are some of the best acoustics I have ever had the joy of playing let alone own, and one of my favorite guitars I have is my very first electric which is a Squier Affinity Strat it just feels right and has some of the most beautiful clean sounds you will ever hear. Yes I primarily play a Fender Telecaster but not for the name on the headstock or how much it cost or simply what it is, I play it because it feels good in my hands and sounds good to me and that is really what it boils down to.


Wow......I mean, like wow.
From your posting I have gleaned two things....

1) You are a young player.

2) You have allot to learn.

It took me 30 years to find an acoustic guitar that will just sing in my hands, and no I didn't care what the headstock said, it happened to be a Gibson custom shop CE-20 starlight, but that is not the point, there is a world of difference between a 100 dollar guitar and the 3000 dollar one.

As to the Sqire line, I have yet to pick one up that has impressed me in the least, but that is me, and i am not you, if it's good to then so be it, as you learn and play more, you will find it's short comings and move up to a better made guitar.

But what do I know, my other guitar is MIM or a Peavey.

I've been playing guitar for 15+ years, I know what I am talking about and I definitely know what i'm doing, and i do own some real nice guitars, both Gibson and Fender


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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:30 pm
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and yes I don't often play my cheaper guitars because I own higher quality ones but it doesn't change the fact that they are still good, honestly IMO being a gear snob is one of the worst things you can ever be as far as music goes


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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:42 pm
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One thing that I have found is their are people who buy guitars to play and those who buy them for Prestige.. Most musicians who Buy to Play own workhorses Nothing flashy or highly expensive but fit their tonal needs. Often modified to suite their tastes or needs. And they know every nuance of their guitar. They spend their time playing not Collecting or Learning new gear.
Then their are those who buy for prestige they own a dozen or more flashy or vintage instruments that get played maybe once a year. They often have 20 plus effects pedals or processors the latest hot gear... The Collector.... Its Really Sad cause guitars are meant to be played...

But I do agree some off Brand guitars or the parts casters of the world. sound better than the big name brands.


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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:43 pm
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jeffy

i gathered the same thing you did from that post.
theres worlds difference between a $100 acoustic and the med to upper priced guitars.
maybe even mores so with acoustic over electrics.
ive played a couple nicer squires in my days, but i wouldnt go out of my way to buy them.
i might buy one to try my hand at slide. i dont want to raise the action on any of my better guitars. i think there comes a time in every player life where he/she desires a really nice high end guitar.
its by the name on the headstock that you will know its a quality guitar long before you even pick it up, tom anderson, valley arts, PRS, grosh,
bolin, just to name a few.
i get your point about name brand guitars. in the end, all that matters is
what you like. just because you like it doesnt mean its quality.
it does mean that it does what you need it to do as comfortably as you need it to.

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:13 am
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I'll start off by saying that there are some cheap guitars I absolutely love. My main guitar right now was also my first, a Squier Affinity Strat. But it has Texas Specials in it so it sounds pretty darn good. I invested the money to make it the best possible instrument it can be. I like the way it feels a lot and it was easier for me to slowly upgrade it than to buy a higher end guitar all at once. Other than the Squier I own several middle of the road guitars ranging from a 1979 Peavey T-60 to a Gibson Les Paul BFG and I love them all. They all have something different to offer and they're all good quality instruments.

However... If someone gave me an American Deluxe V neck, an SRV signature or even an American Special could I tell the difference? I think so. There's a number of reasons why higher end guitars are more expensive. Amps too. Sometimes it's truth, not snobbery. But on the hand turning your nose up at something because it cost under $500 isn't good either. And even though I absolutely love my Squier, I don't think that I'd claim that it was as good as an American Strat. It may approach MIM quality because of all the work I've done on it, but I'm not going to kid myself into thinking it's better than anything else ever.

My take on it is that you should get whatever you like best that fits your price range and enjoy it. :) And don't come down on other people's gear either, I know there are some players in the world who could sound beautiful on a First Act.

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:25 am
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cool thread

+1 Texas thanks

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:10 am
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i have to say that as long as it sounds and feels right who cares what it says on the headstock :D along with my old 1989 mij strat std i have an old yamy apx acoustic , the two modded epi's and my new /old ovation applause 12 string and all of them have that feeling and sound , for me anyway :D maybe one day i'll add a gibson to the ever growing herd i have 8) that'll be nice :lol:

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:04 am
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Well on this post you are either going to look like a cork sniffer or the player of low end gear.lol

I can only keep it real and speak from experience. I did not own a guitar that said Fender till I was 20 which meant I played cheap copies for 7 years. I have owned a lot of guitars with most of them being high end factory models as the next step would be CS. Till this day though the guitar I had the greatest time with ever was my 85 62 reissue MIJ Tele that I moded to my own specs. Still have it and always will.I believe there is a price point you hit where you get a pro level guitar that can do it all, and after that you are just paying for cosmetics, a signature, or a dreadful relicing. I mean how much better can a vintage Strat sound than a new 2K model. Sure as hell not a 100K, that is just ridicules. Besides there are a lot of vintage guitars that are dogs. But there is also no way a $100 guitar is going to have the feel and playability as a higher end model, but on an electric you can always buy a killer set of pups and throw them into a medium priced guitar and it will sound killer. The biggest difference though is with acoustics because no low end acoustic is going to sound like a 3K Taylor or Martin. I still have my sisters lawsuite 70s Takimine that is a copy of a Martin that is a great sounding guitar and 3 friends have all borrowed to make there Demos. It was about 5 years ago I was in GC and played a 3K Taylor and it sounded like the Heavens opened and I never heard anything like it before.But with electrics Vanhalen showed you can buy $180 on seconds and stick a good pup in there, and have guys spending 5K trying to copy his sound.


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I have a squier vibe 60s with TS pups and it sounds amazing. I Love the guitar, the sound but it doesn't change the fact that the quality if not up to par to a MIA. Quality and sound are tow very different things. I may like the sound of my squier, but don't like the frets needing filing, or that it doesn't seem to stay in tune due to the lower quality tuners.

A gear snob is one that can not recognize a poor quality MIA (it happens, there are lemons in every industry) because the label tells them not to.


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hell my tele is MIM. quality no, but i cant help it, i like that dang thing.
it feels good to the hands, has a nice tone to it and its due upgrades.
its not a high end guitar by no means, but i just like the thing.
i keep it handy at all times. sets right here beside the computer and blues jr. i like a lot of the MIM guitars, and some i dont.
most of the MIJ strats i owned in the 80s rocked. loved them.
still wish i had this one though.

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:36 am
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Jeffytune wrote:
d3nyd94 wrote:
Who's with me here? I do not care what the headstock of my guitar says because it makes almost no difference I don't care if it says Fender or Gibson, Squier or Epiphone, Silvertone or Danelectro because it does not matter it all boils down to your preferences and how the guitar sounds and feels to YOU the brand on the headstock is just a formality and really means nothing, my reasoning here is that I own Several guitars ranging from Silvertone to Yamaha to Fender and in terms of feel and sound the $100 Slilvertone acoustics I have are some of the best acoustics I have ever had the joy of playing let alone own, and one of my favorite guitars I have is my very first electric which is a Squier Affinity Strat it just feels right and has some of the most beautiful clean sounds you will ever hear. Yes I primarily play a Fender Telecaster but not for the name on the headstock or how much it cost or simply what it is, I play it because it feels good in my hands and sounds good to me and that is really what it boils down to.


Wow......I mean, like wow.
From your posting I have gleaned two things....

1) You are a young player.

2) You have allot to learn.

It took me 30 years to find an acoustic guitar that will just sing in my hands, and no I didn't care what the headstock said, it happened to be a Gibson custom shop CE-20 starlight, but that is not the point, there is a world of difference between a 100 dollar guitar and the 3000 dollar one.

As to the Sqire line, I have yet to pick one up that has impressed me in the least, but that is me, and i am not you, if it's good to then so be it, as you learn and play more, you will find it's short comings and move up to a better made guitar.

But what do I know, my other guitar is MIM or a Peavey.


I'm not a young player, and I've been playing guitar for over 40 years and I pretty much agree with d3nyd94. I have guitars ranging from a 57 Dano U1 to my 72 Strat including a 63 Supro, a few Ibanez and Yahama acoustics, a 1955 Martin student model guitar whose model # escapes me right now, Tele etc. Modded Ibanez AS73, and yes he is correct, it makes no difference what's on the headstock. I've heard some beautiful tones come from some pretty cheesy guitars.

Jeffy, no need to make accusations about the OP. You play what you like and do what you do. He was just asking for opinions. He may be a geezer and a guitar teacher for all you know. :wink:

Personally I like the way old cheap guitars sound. They're different. You can't sit there and nail what guitar the persons playing because it's not a Strat, Tele or Paul. It's different. I saw a Jazz guy doing some incredible stuff on a Teisco Del Rey. Will a Squire sound like a CS Strat? No. Does it mean it won't sound good in experienced hands? No again. It will have somewhat of a Strat tone through a decent rig though.

There's plenty of examples of great guitars sounding bad. There's millions of videos on youtube demonstrating it alone. Just go to GC or Sam Ash on ny Saturday and you'll see more. I've seen some pretty amazing stuff done on cheap guitars.

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Ultimately the guitar that would best for me wouldnt have a headstock logo on it, but it will be a Telecaster built to all of my own specs.

Otherwise, I will always trust Guild guitars from Westerly RI or Hoboken without hesitation.

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