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The only thing that's going to be extimct is the U.S. economy. After Obama is done with it.


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Kind of ironic that because of regulations to protect the environment that ban drilling in shallow depths and on land, they have to drill 5,000 + feet down in the middle of the gulf. had this type of failure happened on land or 50 feet down we would not have the largest Environmental disaster in history... just a thought.


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You make way too much sense. People said this same thing about the Persian Gulf when Saddam did all of the dumping and burning of oil in Kuwait. Guess what, it was cleaned up. This is not the end of the world and mass extinctions are a joke. I'll be going down to take a look at it as a biologist in the next couple of months and those that I have spoken to have said, although this sucks and alot more could have been done if the president would have gotten off his $@! and made a decision or two, once the leak is stopped, we can focus on the cleanup and it will get done and not take 50 years. Stop listening to the bullcrap on the news. Alot of the scary things being said are so certain people can make money through alternative fuels and cap and trade. It's all about money and trying to make everyone in the U.S hate oil companies. If they can get you to hate oil through this accident, you won't hear as much about global warming. It's all just scare tactics to get you to change lifestyles and accept higher costs and taxes so some can get rich.


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who knows... maybe we'll see new species of Crude Oil Resistant birds.


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in most places with a death penalty it only applies to murder or other extremely harmful, heinous, crimes. in my honest opinion, i believe every BP executive involved in deep horizon and the subsequent poor clean up and fix is deserving of a death penalty. they have endangered thousands (millions?) of people, methane bubble or not, and have caused the worst environmental disaster in human history, the effects of which will be felt for decades. they have caused unbelievable economic and environmental damage and they should pay dearly for it.


Why just the executives? There are hundreds if not thousands of people at fault. The people who made the parts for the rigs, and the people who actually ran the thing. In fact, some of those people got blown up already anyway so I guess they deserved it. And what about us? We're the one's who buy their product after all, why shouldn't we be punished? More taxes? Forced labor to clean the beaches for anyone who's affiliated with the oil business?

And what about the government? I talked to a guy at work the other day who works for an oil company other than BP. He said that the day the of the disaster Norway offered us several large oil scrubbing ships that if used right away would have helped the cleanup effort quite a bit. Our government refused the help. Why? Because 10% of the water that these ships comes back out still oily. Personally I'd go ahead with it and get rid of the other 90% anyway, and so most rational people. But we didn't, and we didn't start burning it off right away either which also would have helped. And now we're in hurricane season. Should we lock up or kill those people in the government who were involved? No, of course not.

It's all right to be upset, but I don't think that killing anyone would help. I don't even think that sending anyone to prison would help at this point. Maybe later if and when we can narrow down the blame to whoever was most directly responsible but right now we should just focus on what we can do to minimize the impact of this disaster.

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...and have caused the worst environmental disaster in human history...


Not quite. It's not even the biggest oil spill in history.

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Kuwait - 1991 - 520 million gallons
Iraqi forces opened the valves of several oil tankers in order to slow the invasion of American troops. The oil slick was four inches thick and covered 4000 square miles of ocean.


http://www.envirowonk.com/content/view/68/1/

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Between 88 million and 174 million gallons have already spilled into the Gulf, according to federal estimates.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill

BP's oil well would have to spew 100 million gallons of oil everyday for over a year to just equal the Kuwait spill. And with the relief wells being drilled and a new cap being put on I highly doubt that will happen.

Another thing the guy at work told us was that it's very, very hard to calculate how many barrels a day are in fact leaking. He said it's like taking a syringe, filling it with colored water, putting it on the bottom of a bath tub and trying to guess how much fluid is coming out and how much is still in there. That's why the estimates vary so widely.

And I hope you realize I'm not trying to be mean or anything. A little sarcastic, but I always get that way when I'm upset about something. :P I wish you could get tone of voice in type. Don't take it personally, it's not meant that way. :) Oh, and last time I checked there was still a Kuwait and still a Persian Gulf. So I think our chances of getting wiped out by a giant bubble are looking even slimmer. lol

i say the execs because THEY cut costs on parts and went with what they KNEW wouldnt work. they KNEW this well was to deep, but they drilled regardless. the workers on the rig were just following orders and doing theyre jobs... the execs are responsible for this horrible mess and IMO they deserve to pay.

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texasguitarslinger wrote:
Floyd_The_Barber wrote:
in most places with a death penalty it only applies to murder or other extremely harmful, heinous, crimes. in my honest opinion, i believe every BP executive involved in deep horizon and the subsequent poor clean up and fix is deserving of a death penalty. they have endangered thousands (millions?) of people, methane bubble or not, and have caused the worst environmental disaster in human history, the effects of which will be felt for decades. they have caused unbelievable economic and environmental damage and they should pay dearly for it.


Why just the executives? There are hundreds if not thousands of people at fault. The people who made the parts for the rigs, and the people who actually ran the thing. In fact, some of those people got blown up already anyway so I guess they deserved it. And what about us? We're the one's who buy their product after all, why shouldn't we be punished? More taxes? Forced labor to clean the beaches for anyone who's affiliated with the oil business?

And what about the government? I talked to a guy at work the other day who works for an oil company other than BP. He said that the day the of the disaster Norway offered us several large oil scrubbing ships that if used right away would have helped the cleanup effort quite a bit. Our government refused the help. Why? Because 10% of the water that these ships comes back out still oily. Personally I'd go ahead with it and get rid of the other 90% anyway, and so most rational people. But we didn't, and we didn't start burning it off right away either which also would have helped. And now we're in hurricane season. Should we lock up or kill those people in the government who were involved? No, of course not.

It's all right to be upset, but I don't think that killing anyone would help. I don't even think that sending anyone to prison would help at this point. Maybe later if and when we can narrow down the blame to whoever was most directly responsible but right now we should just focus on what we can do to minimize the impact of this disaster.

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...and have caused the worst environmental disaster in human history...


Not quite. It's not even the biggest oil spill in history.

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Kuwait - 1991 - 520 million gallons
Iraqi forces opened the valves of several oil tankers in order to slow the invasion of American troops. The oil slick was four inches thick and covered 4000 square miles of ocean.


http://www.envirowonk.com/content/view/68/1/

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Between 88 million and 174 million gallons have already spilled into the Gulf, according to federal estimates.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill

BP's oil well would have to spew 100 million gallons of oil everyday for over a year to just equal the Kuwait spill. And with the relief wells being drilled and a new cap being put on I highly doubt that will happen.

Another thing the guy at work told us was that it's very, very hard to calculate how many barrels a day are in fact leaking. He said it's like taking a syringe, filling it with colored water, putting it on the bottom of a bath tub and trying to guess how much fluid is coming out and how much is still in there. That's why the estimates vary so widely.

And I hope you realize I'm not trying to be mean or anything. A little sarcastic, but I always get that way when I'm upset about something. :P I wish you could get tone of voice in type. Don't take it personally, it's not meant that way. :) Oh, and last time I checked there was still a Kuwait and still a Persian Gulf. So I think our chances of getting wiped out by a giant bubble are looking even slimmer. lol


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People said this same thing about the Persian Gulf when Saddam did all of the dumping and burning of oil in Kuwait. Guess what, it was cleaned up.


It was news to me. I wasn't born yet when the Gulf War happened, so I don't remember. I find it extremely encouraging that something like this has already happened and been resolved.

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i say the execs because THEY cut costs on parts and went with what they KNEW wouldnt work. they KNEW this well was to deep, but they drilled regardless. the workers on the rig were just following orders and doing theyre jobs... the execs are responsible for this horrible mess and IMO they deserve to pay.


As captainc pointed out, they weren't exactly drilling that deep because of greed or because they want to. They drill that deep because they're running out of options when it comes to shallow water drilling and onshore drilling.

And before we jump to conclusions and assume that executives bear the full responsibility I think we need a thorough investigation. You don't know what they knew, and at this point no one really does.

One thing I hate about any disaster, no matter what it is, is that for some reason people are always trying to find a scapegoat. That's because of all the politics that swirl around things like this. Everyone's trying to profit by it, by whatever ways and means possible.

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During the Clinton administration, Oil companies were given incentives and royalties were waived for companies drilling deeper and further out. So I would a imagine a lot of anger should be directed at the feds circa 1998ish right? And the feds I'm sure were under the influence of special interest groups like the EPA so much anger and blame could be placed on them as well...


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Well I was having a bad day but that cheered me up.lol

All these things are theories and nothing more. Who can say what happened 4 million years ago is gospel=you cant. Do I think the end is near =No, are they totally slowly destroying a large part of the planet =yes! All these greedy money hungry idiots should be held accountable for the devastation they are causing to the people, wildlife and the planet. But I am not one who feels the end is near.


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Personally,

My theory on the Mayan calendar and the reason it just ends is that they were baking in the hot hispanic sun and just got bored with what they were doing. Then they discovered cervesa and decided to call it quits on the calender. They're probably laughing hysterically at us with all our television shows and movies on the end of the world as it relates to the Mayan calender.
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BP stopped activity today after the government raised concerns the operation could put damaging pressure on the oil well and make the leak worse.

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BP stopped activity today after the government raised concerns the operation could put damaging pressure on the oil well and make the leak worse.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100714/ap_ ... _oil_spill

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Pretty far fetched when you read a little more into it. I think the problem is far greater than being reported in the media, but nothing like this will happen.


I'm thinking the same thing. There's no doubt that what's happening is horrendous, but the end of the world? Not quite. It's like the people who insist that they know when judgement day will be. It's more of a scare tactic then anything else.


:shock: .... :shock:

It kinda scares me considering the whole Nostradamus thing about 2012, which i don't believe, and that we could die earlier then that :shock: :cry: I don't wanna die until after I ask out my crush

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Looking at the live video it appears they just closed the cap and there is a small amount shooting out of a small pipe located on the side like a relief pipe.

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