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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:14 am
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Nevin1985 wrote:
Do you have any videos of the band playing?


Yes, but with terrible sound quality. Tomorrow I think I'm going to post some audio recordings on my purevolume page.

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Are you liable for tax at your age?


Pay tax but can't buy a beer, I'd have to revolt over that one. :lol:


If you got the guns, I got the propaganda. Viva la beer revolucion!!


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Haha, wow, TGS! This is an awesome thing! :D I think all of this advice here is priceless, so all I'm going to add is enjoy yourself while you're there, and yes, keep on your toes. But also keep an open mind.

But I'm sure you've got that one covered. :wink:

Have fun, and good luck! All my MOJO coming your way! :P

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I can't add anything to this thread either :lol: I know where I'm coming for advice when I get signed :lol: Good luck Tex, like everyone else has said.... Be careful 8)


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Well, the meeting was earlier today. It was what they called a "pre production meeting", and everything is legit, slick and professional. We talked about the songs we're going to record (just two) and we ran through them in the office to get the tempos and arrangement for the studio drummer to listen to. The only one signing anything is the lead singer's Dad, who's paying for the sessions. I do have one question though, since this is an independent thing (no money from a record company), do I still need to get paid for doing the sessions? Honestly I'm getting pro experience, a pro quality recording and I'm having fun doing it so to me it's totally worth it even for free. I have no idea whether I would ordinarily be paid or not, and I don't care, but other people keep asking me that question.

Also, we're talking about taking the songs she recorded earlier (before I was in the band), plus these new songs and putting them together into an LP. Would I get any royalties (however small) from those two songs? I didn't write them, or co write them or anything, I just added some guitar parts and lead. We're going into the studio next week to lay down scratch tracks for the songs. The real sessions will happen about two weeks after that in early August.

And one cool side note, I got to play through an amp that Billy Gibbons used to record with when we were running through the songs. :) It's just a tiny 80's era solid state Marshall, I'm really surprised that he'd use that. I guess it really does go to prove that even if you play through Billy Gibbons amp you still won't sound any more like him. :lol: Actually, it did sound decent. I just prefer Fender tube amps. I'll probably use my Fender Deluxe VM, maybe in tandem with one of the amps they have there if we can hook them together. Apparently they have a really nice Mesa Boogie, so I may use the two of them together. I want to make it sound as unique as I can. :D It's going to be a lot of fun to experiment.

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Very cool Texas! Session players usually get paid for work, but, they know about that before the recording session. You may still get paid, don't know about the royalties because you would make those agreements before recording, as a side note, a conversation with an intellectual property attorney (that has represented artists/musicians successfully) could help now and in the future. I don't know how you see this, but, from were I'm sitting it looks like you're turning pro. Every one in this business has jammed without getting paid at one time or another, I like that you can see it as a learning experience any thing is possible though so you may be compensated for your time and effort which is good because if they keep you as a guitar player it is to their advantage you're good and are going to keep getting better. 8)

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I don't know if I'm turning pro just yet, but if I've been testing the water before all of a sudden I'm knee deep. :D We've been getting a lot of gigs lately. And this August we're going to go play a show in Austin! Unfortunately most of the band members are going back to college and only me and the lead singer are going to stay in town. But hopefully it'll keep going.

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TGS I'm impressed... :wink:

I like that little riff you do on "Never Happened" keep it up. :D


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Really, really good, Tex. You're on your way. :D


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royalties? lol
dude this whole thing is for the chic i promise you.
no you wont get any royalties for the stuff you didnt write.
why are you folks only doing 2 songs? i bet this is her demo and you dont know it. dont keep a blind eye towards that possibility.
ok heres the deal, you can walk into just about any studio with money and get recorded. thats the easy part. marketing and promotion is the hard part. you better start thinking ahead with this. shes the writer, her dad is paying. that make this lil project hers at this point.
you better get things in writing and hire an entertainment lawyer
before you do anything. once she gets her music on disk, she can walk
and get anybody come play the other parts. protect yourself and most importantly, dont put your heart into this deal.
you seem so caught up on payments and royalties i havent read where you have mentioned whats gonna be done with these recordings.
whats next? where ya going from here? all things you should know already.
if you dont know you better be finding out.
many of dreams have been spoiled by things like this.
walking into a studio is really no big deal.
producers willing to work are a dime a dozen. aside from the recording skills that they have theres another skill they have too, its called talking.
they can talk a mean game and get you totally pumped.
you said shes recorded with him before.
what happened to the recording? why were they recorded, with what intent were they recorded? if things seem to be happening to fast you need to find out why. nothing happens fast in this business. looking back maybe, but going through, nope.
i know it seems im bringing a dark cloud over the parade, but i dont want to be one of the ones patting you on the back but not also warning you of whats possible on the down side as well. ive seen lots of hurt feelings
in situations like this. been there a few times too.
good luck to you. hope for the best but prep for the worst.
if you dont know the business plan with all of this, there might be a reason for that. get involved and find out. stay informed. keep your eyes and ears open. find out for sure, is this all about daddys lil princess or is this about the band as a band?


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I don't really give a crap about royalties, and it doesn't make sense for someone who didn't write something to get credit for it. But I have people (mostly extended family) bugging me about it. They don't really know how the music business actually works and they don't understand that it's not what it seems. There's no big money in it, there's hardly even little money in it and I'm cool with that. I seriously doubt I'll ever make a decent amount of money playing guitar (short of a miracle) no matter how good I can get. It scares me to death when I see people who are a hundred times better than me playing dive bars for $20 and free food. They should be famous and making a bunch of money, but they aren't. I really just do it because of how much I enjoy it, because if I didn't there wouldn't really be a point to it. Especially since my favorite style has been out of the mainstream for the last forty to sixty years, and was never all that mainstream to begin with.

I haven't known her for all that long, but I don't this girl is the type of person who would take advantage of people. She could easily have hired studio musicians who are much more talented than me to play. She did for the other songs. I'm free, yes, but if she didn't care about the band she'd just hire studio musicians for something like this, which could end up as demo to send to record companies. In addition, her friend from elementary school is playing bass for this and I really don't think that she would be able to pull a fast one on someone she's known for that long.

We're only recording two songs because she's already recorded the rest. And because recording is expensive. We've been talking about taking the ones she's already recorded and these new ones and putting them on an album. It would probably be an indie release, or used as a demo to get record companies interested. It'll most likely be used for both. I know she's serious about her music. Her Dad's a lot like mine, he's not pushing her and he doesn't just give her anything she wants. I think she's talented enough that she could go somewhere if she can get some good promoters behind her, and I think that her Dad's footing the bill to try and make it as easy as possible for that to happen.

Things just seem to be happening fast for me because I'm new at this whole thing. Recording studios, paying gigs, out of town paying gigs. I'll get used to it soon enough, but for right now it's good to talk to people who've been there, done that so that I'm not surprised if something happens that would have been unexpected for me. It's a totally new experience and something that's a little more complex than just playing at home and hitting the blues jams. I'll totally admit that I don't know very much about business, and that's why it's so important for me to hear the other side of things so that I wouldn't be blindsided later on.

I don't exactly have the next few years of my life planned out, I don't even know where I'll be a month from now. I would think about it more, except that so many crazy unexpected things always happen. Two years ago I had no idea I'd like other kinds of music besides metalcore, much less blues, a year ago I only knew how to play two songs all the way through, and six months ago I could never dream of walking into a recording studio, at least not this soon. I know that next year I'll probably start community college in hopes of getting to basics out of the way and attending another university somewhere to study guitar. What happens in between has always been very much up in the air.

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for what its worth, again been there done this, dont study guitar as a major. if your going to school study for a higher education. use guitar an a minor. not very many above average jobs out there for a 4 yr degree in music. go to school to get a real degree in something thats gonna get you paid when you get out. invest your time in the probables.
go to school get a real degree doing something to get you paid, meanwhile
use guitar as a minor. you can even continue taking music after you get your major out of the way. if guitar doesnt work out for you, your gonna need something to fall back on bro. thats starving artist thing is BS lol.


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All I can tell you is just be cautious about the "business side" let you Dad handle that with a lawyer, whether it is thistevie deal or another one. Producers like to get rid of "the band" if they find a great singer. They tried to do that to Chris Layton and Tommy Shannon. The producer wanted to market Stevie Ray Vaughan by himself, but SRV wouldn't go for it, he wanted to make sure they got the credit too.

Just be careful, there are many, many great musicians but only a few stars. Soak up the experinence and learn everything you can while you are there. Who knows you might get some session work if they really like you. Jimmy Page was a session guy for years in England before the Yardbirds and Zeppelin.If a rock record was made in the 60's in England it is almost guaranteed that Jimmy Page sessioned on it. Eric Clapton told the Yardbirds to get Page when he left the band and Jimmy didn't want to give up the steady money of session work. They went and got Jeff Beck and then after a few years picked up Page. We know how well that went for him.

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yeah they will try to break up the band if they dont like something or someone in it.
they will take the top tallent and try to flush out the rest if possible.
if anything, use the experience to network. yes i hope it all turns out well for you, but i want you to be careful at the same time.
hell, heres opportunity to leave the guitar shop and get a job sweeping floors if you have to, at the studio. then you'll be closer to the right place at the right time situation your needing.
networking is the best business idea a musician can do.
it gets your name out for free (most of the time) you get to meet cool people, and you learn tons of stuff.


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Out of curiosity, what's the name of the band?

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