going along with that, how would you guys rate the Pro Jr then, in comparison? Are any of you in the camp that says it sounds much better than the Blues Jr?

I realize there are amps that sound better than the PJ, im only asking of your opinions of it versus the BJ, in light of all the comments being made here. just curious.

Nik, the "nice-and-juicy" thing I stated may apply to the Pro Jr moreso. (It too is biased hot.) Agree/Disagree?

The opposite end of the spectrum. I really rate the pro jr. Simplicity at it's best. Nothing cluttering up the sound. Just set your tone and volume, plug in and do the rest from the guitar. I suspect they are biased the same, around 17/18 maybe even up to 20ma. I don't know for sure. I'm also not sure how much it impairs the pro jr's tone control compared to the bjr's eq stack. I've played a couple of em and got on with em. But I often find the less in a amp, the better the sound. The blues jr I owned spent all except 2 weeks of it's time with me as a coffee table in the rehearsal room. In the 2 weeks that I used it, I tried the BillM mid pot mod, getting the noise out of the reverb and tried 6 different speakers I had knocking about in the thing. Including, I hasten to add, a very nice 12" out of a early 70's sound city combo. Well they did change the sound, I couldn't say they improved it though. Didn't the BillM site have a bit on there about Fender nearly pulling the plug on it, shortly after it's release? Chet's put a 2x12 cab around his, I wouldn't mind having a go with that. I reckon that would yield some results, atleast in the bottom end of the sound.

Way Cool theres no clarity or body to that blues jr sound at all, and your hearing a very good player on the blues jr, who's well used to mic'ing up amps. You are hearing a very run of the mill player, on one sound of the vibrochamp. The fact that he doesn't know much about setting up the amp is apparent from his overuse of effects (reverb/delay).

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Fender '57 Champ (RI) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcsgEJJmv_U


'58 Fender Champ Amp (harp application)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x65Cun5vkIE

The pro is not as bad as the Jr. The pro's popular change is to the speaker still not the greatest.

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I love everything about Fender guitars except the single coil pickups. Too pronounced highs and annoying quack. I like tone a bit warmer with more lows so for me this would not be a problem; but that’s just my tastes and my opinion…It has been my experience that most all amps have a more pronounced low end at higher volumes and that should me no more that some further EQ’ing on your gear to find your sweet spot..try backing the bass back some and for goodness sake don’t forget the most important EQ knob…Your guitar tone pot as that should help a lot to regain your missing highs hiding in the mix.

Cheers
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The single coil pups are what I mainly love about Fender guitars,you can compensate for any undesireable by simply adjusting the eq and the "quack"is what most people gravitate to Fender's sound for. I also have to say that I'm a member of Snowy's minority in that I love my Blues Jr.I've said this before but I'll say it again-When I was shopping for my latest guitar I had no intentions of buying an amp but when I tried several Strats through the Blues Jr.(especially the Jimmie Vaughn)I decided then and there that I was buying that amp.BTW there was another guy in the store when I was trying it out and he loved the sound so much that he bought one too.

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If that guy thinks he sounds like SRV, he never heard him live. I jam with a guy who uses a Vibro Champ. I can't stand that thing either. It sound nothing like the original. The Pro Jr sounds real boxy to me too. There's a lot better amps around for not much more.

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Supro, come the start of next week you will see a real British beauty. Then I'll consider turning the vibrochamp into a champ.

The VibroChamp and SuperChamp's failings as accurate modelling amps don't really worry me. There's decent sounds in their, even if their not a accurate reproduction.

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It just my opinion, that's about it. It doesn't really mean squat. I have a GDec 30 and can't stand that either. It just a practice tool. None of those models are close either. Fender was never a great effects manufacturer. When I use headphones on the GDec the effects are horrible. I don't know if the XD stuff uses the same effects or not, but my friends effects on his Vibro Champ XD are pretty bad too. He loves them though and I guess that's what really counts.

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Yeah I know what you mean, the only thing I can use is the reverb/delay setting up to about 2.5 on the mix control. I do however like the squashy nature of the preamp. Ok it's a passable attempt at rectifier sag, but I think they put it in the right place, on the preamp.

You just wait mate, theres a lovely one coming soon.

I gave up on building a cab, I thought I'd adapt a rough one instead.

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HaHa! There you go. That's the biggest drawback to those amps is the small speaker/cab. I have a 2x10 cab I borrow from time to time for my SF Champ. What a difference.

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Theres only one response to where your thoughts are going.-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJmBPCYt5LY

You just wait and see mate, you'll like it, I promise.

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Modeling and tubes just don't go together. A tube amp should be what it is and forget the various faux processing. Let the pedal do that.

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So the minute you add a pedal to any setup you introduce a form of modelling????Their all digital or some transistor form.

After all, at best their just another preamp, if not directly affecting the poweramp through being in the effects loop.

Nah I'll just keep doing what works for me and not worry about what category it falls into.

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