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There is nothing "we" can do to end this crisis other than vote "them" out in November and 2012.


How is voting in the party that caused the problem going to help?


lemme guess "Republicans caused the problem"? They had no help from Democrats? Especially not from 07-09 when Dems took over the House and Senate and the recession began. All the fault of the Republicans right? if that is your answer then seriously, I am not going to waste me time debating it with you.

Sure, Obama inherited a deficit just not THIS DEFICIT. Rather than showing tightening spending he took the deficit and doused it with gasoline and taxpayer money then set it on fire. Wasteful Stimulus, failed "jobs bills" and nothing but partisan politics and attacks on anyone who doesn't agree with his policies which resemble the same ones that lead to the Great Depression, that is all we get.

So no, I am not buying the Republicans are to blame nonsense. They had plenty of help from Obama and co in the house and senate and also Dems haven't done ANYTHING to make the economy better unless you truly believe the Stimulus has worked and support it. All that and we won't even get into Obama's involvement with Fannie and Freddie and his boy Bwarney Fwank which lead to the housing market crash...of course according to him that was all "predatory lending"

So given the option to vote back in the Republicans who "caused the problem" or Voting back in the Progressives who made the problem dramatically worse and prolonged the recession with their wasteful deficit spending, by all means put the Republicans back in only this time with new faces and ideas.

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Obama needs to read Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt, because not only is he an intellectual infant and a liar, he has no idea how the economy works.


Why would you suggest that anyone should read a book written by Hazlitt about the economy if Hazlitt is an intellectual infant, a liar and has no idea how the economy works?


Reading comprehension escapes you. I was clearly stating that Obama is the intellectual infant and the one with no idea how the economy works. He, Obama, would be well served to read Mr. Hazlitt's writings.


The ability to write clearly escapes you. You original sentence I quoted was poorly written.


Nah, my grammar was correct but thanks. You misinterpreted what I wrote and decided to make a comment on it rather than provide something constructive to the debate we have going on here. No worries.

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How's this for misuse of ALL OF OUR taxpayer dollars by Obama and co?...those of us who pay taxes that is.

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The National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH), a division of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), spent $823,200 of economic stimulus funds in 2009 on a study by a UCLA research team to teach uncircumcised African men how to wash their genitals after having sex.



http://wizbangblog.com/content/2010/09/ ... ll+Feed%29

http://projectreporter.nih.gov/project_ ... de=5021426

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Put your savings in a safe, in cash or better still gold. Watch that stuff rocket in value as soon as it's all bought up. Prey the place don't get robbed.

It's the only justice I can think of.


Too true Niki, you must have noticed all these adverts for gold companies, we buy gold etc, youl'd think they were doing us a favour, just pop it in a bag and send it to us scenario, it's not for our benifit that there begging for our gold, was just watching Tony Robinson on the telly about Britains gold, which led me to look up the gold prices, have a look, record highs and not stopping any time soon
http://www.goldalert.com/stories/1300-G ... ce-on-Deck


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Put your savings in a safe, in cash or better still gold. Watch that stuff rocket in value as soon as it's all bought up. Prey the place don't get robbed.

It's the only justice I can think of.


Too true Niki, you must have noticed all these adverts for gold companies, we buy gold etc, youl'd think they were doing us a favour, just pop it in a bag and send it to us scenario, it's not for our benifit that there begging for our gold, was just watching Tony Robinson on the telly about Britains gold, which led me to look up the gold prices, have a look, record highs and not stopping any time soon
http://www.goldalert.com/stories/1300-G ... ce-on-Deck


I recently bought 5 ounces of gold. I bought my first 5 when it was $750 an ounce. Projections show it'll be close to $2000 an ounce by the end of the year.

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What do you really think this current crisis is down to a particular political party?

Their all owned by banks. In Fact every government in the world is owned by the world monetary fund. Who do you think our governments are indebted to? The only countries that weren't we deemed a 'threat to democracy' (more accurately a threat to banker dominion) and invaded.

Pointless bringing the charade that is politics into this. It's only a smokescreen to keep us from realising were enslaved.

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Put your savings in a safe, in cash or better still gold. Watch that stuff rocket in value as soon as it's all bought up. Prey the place don't get robbed.

It's the only justice I can think of.


Too true Niki, you must have noticed all these adverts for gold companies, we buy gold etc, youl'd think they were doing us a favour, just pop it in a bag and send it to us scenario, it's not for our benifit that there begging for our gold, was just watching Tony Robinson on the telly about Britains gold, which led me to look up the gold prices, have a look, record highs and not stopping any time soon
http://www.goldalert.com/stories/1300-G ... ce-on-Deck


I recently bought 5 ounces of gold. I bought my first 5 when it was $750 an ounce. Projections show it'll be close to $2000 an ounce by the end of the year.


That's a nice investment Blackcat


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BlackCatBone wrote:
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There is nothing "we" can do to end this crisis other than vote "them" out in November and 2012.


How is voting in the party that caused the problem going to help?


lemme guess "Republicans caused the problem"? They had no help from Democrats? Especially not from 07-09 when Dems took over the House and Senate and the recession began. All the fault of the Republicans right? if that is your answer then seriously, I am not going to waste me time debating it with you.

Sure, Obama inherited a deficit just not THIS DEFICIT. Rather than showing tightening spending he took the deficit and doused it with gasoline and taxpayer money then set it on fire. Wasteful Stimulus, failed "jobs bills" and nothing but partisan politics and attacks on anyone who doesn't agree with his policies which resemble the same ones that lead to the Great Depression, that is all we get.

So no, I am not buying the Republicans are to blame nonsense. They had plenty of help from Obama and co in the house and senate and also Dems haven't done ANYTHING to make the economy better unless you truly believe the Stimulus has worked and support it. All that and we won't even get into Obama's involvement with Fannie and Freddie and his boy Bwarney Fwank which lead to the housing market crash...of course according to him that was all "predatory lending"

So given the option to vote back in the Republicans who "caused the problem" or Voting back in the Progressives who made the problem dramatically worse and prolonged the recession with their wasteful deficit spending, by all means put the Republicans back in only this time with new faces and ideas.


There is plenty of blame to go around for the economic mess we are in. But don't fool yourself, those to blame for the mess, whether they are republicans or democrats are free market, laissez faire capitalist who pushed through a lot of legislation over the last thirty years that resulted in deregulating parts of the financial sector and other areas of our economy. Isn't it true that the majority of the republican party is calling for the continuation of laissez faire deregulationist policies that are the cause of the current economic crisis. Anyone that would vote for a candidate that champions the same policies that caused this mess in the first place needs to have their head examined.

Also, if you really believe obama's policies are similar to those that caused the great depression then you need to go back and study the 1920s and early 1930's in great detail.

As far as the sentence you wrote that I commented on....I never said there was anything grammatically wrong with the sentence. I stated that it was unclear and poorly written.


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Also, if you really believe obama's policies are similar to those that caused the great depression then you need to go back and study the 1920s and early 1930's in great detail.

As far as the sentence you wrote that I commented on....I never said there was anything grammatically wrong with the sentence. I stated that it was unclear and poorly written.


I've researched the 30's and obama's policies closely resemble those in practice at the time

Poorly written according to you. I am fine with that.

once again ive gotten myself in one of these topics debating with people who just have "fundamental differences" from myself. im out.

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Didn't vote for Obama, and don't care for him, but he didn't create this whole mess in less than two years by himself. Not to turn this into a whole political discussion and I usually avoid political and religious discussions.

Obama? It's way bigger than Obama.

This film is a real eye opener to the world economy.

http://www.themoneymasters.com/

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Also, if you really believe obama's policies are similar to those that caused the great depression then you need to go back and study the 1920s and early 1930's in great detail.

As far as the sentence you wrote that I commented on....I never said there was anything grammatically wrong with the sentence. I stated that it was unclear and poorly written.


I've researched the 30's and obama's policies closely resemble those in practice at the time

Poorly written according to you. I am fine with that.


Why you didn't quote everything I wrote in the last post including your quote that I responded to?

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Sure, Obama inherited a deficit just not THIS DEFICIT. Rather than showing tightening spending he took the deficit and doused it with gasoline and taxpayer money then set it on fire. Wasteful Stimulus, failed "jobs bills" and nothing but partisan politics and attacks on anyone who doesn't agree with his policies which resemble the same ones that lead to the Great Depression, that is all we get.


You said that obama's policies resemble the same policies that lead to the great depression. The Great depression began in the late 1920s and it was the policies of the 1920s leading up to the late 1920s that caused the great depression. You really need to study the 1920's and the early 1930's in great detail to correct your erroneous belief that obama's policies resemble the policies that caused the great depression.


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This film is a real eye opener to the world economy.


Xactly.

Were never going to enjoy the lifestyle we enjoyed in the late 90's up to 2007. It's never going to come back, may as well get used to lending limitations. Our lords and masters had their fingers too burned. They over emphasised the value of property. When a few people didn't agree with their valuation and ditched a load of bricks and mortar on em, instead of filthy lucre. We all got punished.
Boycott em wherever you can, you owe it to yourself.

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Put your savings in a safe, in cash or better still gold. Watch that stuff rocket in value as soon as it's all bought up. Prey the place don't get robbed.

It's the only justice I can think of.


Too true Niki, you must have noticed all these adverts for gold companies, we buy gold etc, youl'd think they were doing us a favour, just pop it in a bag and send it to us scenario, it's not for our benifit that there begging for our gold, was just watching Tony Robinson on the telly about Britains gold, which led me to look up the gold prices, have a look, record highs and not stopping any time soon
http://www.goldalert.com/stories/1300-G ... ce-on-Deck


I recently bought 5 ounces of gold. I bought my first 5 when it was $750 an ounce. Projections show it'll be close to $2000 an ounce by the end of the year.
I have bought a little in the last two years but for many many years before I bought regularly, much at under $300. per oz. just ten years ago and almost all South African Gold except for some old US coins which are more coin value investment. Old US coins are .90 pure. Hold off on gold right now and go Palladium.

Now with the economy wait until the Healthcare bill they passed starts kicking in over the years wheres that money coming from? obama won't even be in office when it's full on let the next guy worry about it is what they figure.

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Why you didn't quote everything I wrote in the last post including your quote that I responded to?


You said that obama's policies resemble the same policies that lead to the great depression. The Great depression began in the late 1920s and it was the policies of the 1920s leading up to the late 1920s that caused the great depression. You really need to study the 1920's and the early 1930's in great detail to correct your erroneous belief that obama's policies resemble the policies that caused the great depression.


I didnt include that portion because you went from saying both parties caused the recession to blaming the republicans in the end.

I know when the great depression started and have studied it, my original comment should have said that Obama's policies resemble those that prolonged the great depression. More deficit spending, injection of capital into the market causing it to falsely inflate instead of correct itself naturally and all the ridiculous spending on "infrastructure" touting it as a job creator. So I have corrected my original comment on this topic, feel free to disagree if you like but the three aforementioned issues are definitely what has prolonged this recession and they are the doing of Obama and co. I am out this time, it has been fun.

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This is pretty funny. No one points the finger at the real culprits. THE BANKS.
It's not just the Democrats or the Republicans. It's a global recession. Last time I looked, our government doesn't govern Europe, Asia and Mexico. Who is the Federal Reserve? It's not Federal or a reserve.


This whole financial situation was called years ago in this film.
http://www.themoneymasters.com/
It is frighteningly accurate. Years ago wars created manufacturing jobs, where are they now?? We had the Persian Gulf War, Iraq War and now Afghanistan and there was no huge surge in U.S. manufacturing jobs. Go figure :? Who's building the war toys?

It's easy to blame the Democrats and Obama, but I don't see the Republicans coming up with any new ideas on how to fix the economy either. All they say is cut taxes and deregulate. We manufacture almost nothing in this country. Why are there companies too large to fail. That used to be called a Monopoly. Not any more since everything is deregulated. As a small business owner, I'd be in prison if I pulled some of the garbage these CEO's of these large corporations did.

As I said, I'm neither a Republican or Democrat.

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