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Things seem to be looking up for Cuba, a new refinery with a cost of 6 Billion going to be built by China. The Chinese government has big plans for tapping the oil in the Gulf of Mexico. All the oil rigs put out of work will be floating to parts of the Gulf controlled by Cuba so that China oil can get pumping. Plus you figure since president jimmy (Peanut Brain) carter gave the Panama canal away which has since become under contract by the Chinese for a 25 year lease is do it's finished expansion in two years the Chinese will be able to get the super tankers thru.

Why can't we do that? Cuba/China will be drilling closer to Florida then U.S. companies are allowed to, something wrong with that thought.
Cuba/China wells dotting the Gulf then using a Canal the U.S. built and paid for after the French failed. The U.S. had a renewable lease in perpetuity ( for ever ) but a peanut farmer gave it away to Panama who in turn thanked him by leasing it to a Chinese Company tide to Chinese government.
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CV, its just brutal (I had to edit this post because it was too inflammatory I'm trying to curb my propensity to go overboard about politics and such) and I really don't know what can be done. Apparently some Americans don't like America and will do anything to hurt those of us who do like our beloved country. Maybe they don't like the lyric in "The Star-Spangled Banner" "O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave." such a wonderful bold lyric it is.

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cvilleira wrote:
Things seem to be looking up for Cuba, a new refinery with a cost of 6 Billion going to be built by China. The Chinese government has big plans for tapping the oil in the Gulf of Mexico. All the oil rigs put out of work will be floating to parts of the Gulf controlled by Cuba so that China oil can get pumping. Plus you figure since president jimmy (Peanut Brain) carter gave the Panama canal away which has since become under contract by the Chinese for a 25 year lease is do it's finished expansion in two years the Chinese will be able to get the super tankers thru.

Why can't we do that? Cuba/China will be drilling closer to Florida then U.S. companies are allowed to, something wrong with that thought.
Cuba/China wells dotting the Gulf then using a Canal the U.S. built and paid for after the French failed. The U.S. had a renewable lease in perpetuity ( for ever ) but a peanut farmer gave it away to Panama who in turn thanked him by leasing it to a Chinese Company tide to Chinese government.
The original Mr Economy carter!!!!


CV, its just brutal (I had to edit this post because it was too inflammatory I'm trying to curb my propensity to go overboard about politics and such) and I really don't know what can be done. Apparently some Americans don't like America and will do anything to hurt those of us who do like our beloved country. Maybe they don't like the lyric in "The Star-Spangled Banner" "O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave." such a wonderful bold lyric it is.


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Solid Body Love Songs wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
Things seem to be looking up for Cuba, a new refinery with a cost of 6 Billion going to be built by China. The Chinese government has big plans for tapping the oil in the Gulf of Mexico. All the oil rigs put out of work will be floating to parts of the Gulf controlled by Cuba so that China oil can get pumping. Plus you figure since president jimmy (Peanut Brain) carter gave the Panama canal away which has since become under contract by the Chinese for a 25 year lease is do it's finished expansion in two years the Chinese will be able to get the super tankers thru.

Why can't we do that? Cuba/China will be drilling closer to Florida then U.S. companies are allowed to, something wrong with that thought.
Cuba/China wells dotting the Gulf then using a Canal the U.S. built and paid for after the French failed. The U.S. had a renewable lease in perpetuity ( for ever ) but a peanut farmer gave it away to Panama who in turn thanked him by leasing it to a Chinese Company tide to Chinese government.
The original Mr Economy carter!!!!


CV, its just brutal (I had to edit this post because it was too inflammatory I'm trying to curb my propensity to go overboard about politics and such) and I really don't know what can be done. Apparently some Americans don't like America and will do anything to hurt those of us who do like our beloved country. Maybe they don't like the lyric in "The Star-Spangled Banner" "O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave." such a wonderful bold lyric it is.


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our economy was not effected to bad but its starting to pick up some--at least in the auto repari business

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That is quit a list.

I believe this one may not be factually correct or at least means something entirely different than a cursory read would suggest;

46. Closed offshore tax safe havens


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Unemployment gone up .2% in November and thats with all the temp hires for the Holidays. I wonder what its going to look like after those jobs are gone in the new year?
Gasoline went up 12 cents since yesterday around here for $3.00+ Then you read things like this and think what about our own Country? We need to strengthen the dollar!!!!

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The IMF, whose biggest single shareholder is the United States, has committed 250 billion euros to the EFSF.

While reluctant to dictate to Europe how it should address the unfolding debt crisis, the U.S. government is growing concerned about the global fallout of Europe's predicament.

U.S. Treasurys' prices fell and the euro strengthened against the dollar on Wednesday after the news that the United States would be prepared to support an enlarged EFSF.
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Thats our tax payer money like our government has it to spare
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Thats our tax payer money like our government has it to spare
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Ain't "Obammunism" grand?

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Unemployment just jumped up to 9.8% today from 9.6% for the last....?
This summer was billed as "The Summer of Recovery" :? :oops:


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Christmas 2008 Gasoline was 1.65 a gallon now Christmas 2010 currently selling at 3.05 Gallon. Has Katrina return an I have not heard about it? Yea the economy is doing better according to our traveling a&&hole of a president. Since his moratorium on new drill leases for the next 7 years plus along the Atlantic coast and eastern Gulf of Mexico. All other Gulf drilling will be set to use new rules set forth by obama administration before being allowed. This liberal lunatic in office has done nothing but give reason for oil prices to rise when the economy can't take it. Then to announce a free trade agreement with Korea as a good thing! The cost of there labor will create more jobs there then here. There not going to import many of our goods but you can bet they will benefit by exporting free low cost goods to us. Wee need to ramp up our manufacturing some how before giving away free trade agreements. We have to make it beneficial to manufacture products here for our domestic use not overseas.

When are we going to face the fact we can not match manufacturing cost to produce most products we use now. Now days I would say there are many Americans willing to work at a plant making TV's, Refrigerators, Microwaves, Light bulbs, Tires, Steel you name it. How does it help making it cheaper for foreign countries to ship these too us. There has to be a check and balance import exports.

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The US unemployment rate for college educated is less than 5%. Impossible to compete with a factory worker from china, india, vietnam, philipines, indonesia, singapore....


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Myths and Reality

Myths are interesting stories, and sometimes they even have a basis in fact. But when it comes to the economy, we can’t afford to make decisions based on “truthiness” and unexplored assumptions. Myths often contribute heavily to our perceptions of how the world works, so it’s necessary to debunk the myths swirling around economic growth and the steady state economy.
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Economic growth is always desirable.
Reality

To determine whether economic growth is desirable requires us to examine its value objectively, without blindly assuming that all growth is worth pursuing. Growth comes with both benefits and costs. The goal is to grow the economy when the benefits are higher than the costs, and to have the wisdom to stop growing when the costs catch up. The economic laws of diminishing marginal utility and increasing marginal costs tell us that, over time, costs do catch up with benefits.
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A steady state economy is the same thing as a depression or recession (the result of a failed growth economy).
Reality

A steady state economy is not a failed growth economy. An airplane is designed for forward motion. If it tries to hover, it crashes. It is not fruitful to conceive of a helicopter as an airplane that fails to move forward. It is a different thing designed to hover. Likewise a steady state economy is not designed to grow. Stability in a steady state economy is a healthy condition, a condition that allows people to meet their needs without undermining the life-support systems of the planet.
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Technology and progress will grind to a halt in a steady state economy.
Reality

A strong incentive for technological progress exists in a steady state economy because of the drive for better goods and services. With stabilized material and energy inputs (as would occur in a steady state economy), technological progress becomes the main source of higher quality outputs.
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Failure to grow causes economic turmoil and unemployment.
Reality

This myth is true for an economy structured for growth. When consumption slows in a growth economy, recession ensues. But a steady state economy is precisely and intentionally structured for stability. It’s the stability that provides a good life for citizens and eliminates turbulent boom and bust cycles.
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A steady state economy means government by a harsh communist regime.
Reality

A steady state economy can exist in a constitutional democracy with a common-sense mixture of markets and market regulations. Market structures are employed to allocate resources efficiently, but some vital decisions (e.g., how big to grow) are kept outside the market. A steady state economy features a mix of private and public ownership of economic resources.
Myth

A steady state economy means widespread poverty.
Reality

Economic growth has not eradicated poverty. The condition of having a stable and sustainable population in a steady state economy allows more resources per person. The design of institutions to ensure fair distribution of wealth also provides an income/wealth floor below which no one can fall.
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A steady state economy means fewer choices and less freedom.
Reality

In a steady state economy, citizens exercise as much freedom as possible without impinging on the freedom of others. Stable numbers of people consuming sustainable levels of resources means that each person has more freedom to pursue desired activities. Economic institutions are designed to respect ecological limits, but personal choice is maximized within that institutional framework.
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We can grow the economy continuously because we can decouple growth from resource use and waste production.
Reality

We can achieve relative decoupling by reducing the ecological intensity per unit of economic output. But to have a sustainable economy, we would need to achieve absolute decoupling, a situation in which resource impacts decline overall. Even if we make great gains in relative decoupling, which we have over the last several decades, these gains can be entirely swamped by economic growth. For example, carbon dioxide emissions per unit of economic output have decreased. But growth in economic output has led to higher absolute emissions of carbon dioxide, despite increasing efficiency.
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Technological progress will allow unlimited economic growth.
Reality

The laws of thermodynamics rule the economic production process, and they tell us that, regardless of technology, all production requires high-quality inputs and generates lower-quality outputs. Thermodynamic laws also tell us that we cannot achieve 100% efficiency. When the limits to efficiency have been reached, the only remaining way to grow the economy is by using more natural capital (including energy), which is limited in quantity. The application (or misapplication) of technology also plays a role – if technology isn’t aimed specifically at reducing the overall use of materials and energy, it won’t make any headway on that front.


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Gas is now $3.14 a gallon by me, my health insurance just went up $160 per month starting in january

good times.

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and i didn't even copy paste that like the above post...

http://steadystate.org/discover/myths-and-reality/


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Gas is now $3.14 a gallon by me, my health insurance just went up $160 per month starting in january

good times.

:D

and i didn't even copy paste that like the above post...

http://steadystate.org/discover/myths-and-reality/
With you captainc!!!! I don't think bely65 would know reality if it flew over and $@!& on his head. Our health Ins. went up another $100 per month ( 9600,00 per year) and were told if there was not a reprieve ( bama signed waiver) from the regulations that were supposed to start it would have been much more then that. What about next year though? Almost $300. a month of my mortgage goes to property taxes, I live in a Row Home thats just under 2000 sq. ft. and neighborhood values have dropped from $300,000, down to $250,000,

Maryland is planing on raising Gas taxes now by as much as .15 per gal. because they over spent and the bama state hand outs last year carried them for the election year so they did nothing. Re-elected our liberal fruit governor who said he was not going to raise taxes but now things are worst then he thought RIGHT!!! The buffalo already voted they'll stand there and be oblivious while be taken.
The county is talking about having to raise its piggyback Income tax to cover the pensions of teachers that the state says they can no longer afford so they want to pass the cost to the counties. Where do they think the counties are going to get the money for there bad pension deals made with the unions back in the 70's We already give an amount equal to %55 of what tax we give the state and they want more.
Unemployment is 9.8 and belly's stupid statement that only %5 college grads are unemployed don't tell you where they are employed at. McDonald's I am sure has plenty of them along with Walmart and Target and the local Grocery store, I even know three that work at the local Kohl's store.

Manufacturing has gone over seas and now tech jobs are going, we can't survive as just a service oriented economy. Who is going to be able to afford the services? What happens to those who can't afford any, who pays and how.

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cvilleira wrote:
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Gas is now $3.14 a gallon by me, my health insurance just went up $160 per month starting in january

good times.

:D

and i didn't even copy paste that like the above post...

http://steadystate.org/discover/myths-and-reality/
With you captainc!!!! I don't think bely65 would know reality if it flew over and $@!& on his head. Our health Ins. went up another $100 per month ( 9600,00 per year) and were told if there was not a reprieve ( bama signed waiver) from the regulations that were supposed to start it would have been much more then that. What about next year though? Almost $300. a month of my mortgage goes to property taxes, I live in a Row Home thats just under 2000 sq. ft. and neighborhood values have dropped from $300,000, down to $250,000,

Maryland is planing on raising Gas taxes now by as much as .15 per gal. because they over spent and the bama state hand outs last year carried them for the election year so they did nothing. Re-elected our liberal fruit governor who said he was not going to raise taxes but now things are worst then he thought RIGHT!!! The buffalo already voted they'll stand there and be oblivious while be taken.
The county is talking about having to raise its piggyback Income tax to cover the pensions of teachers that the state says they can no longer afford so they want to pass the cost to the counties. Where do they think the counties are going to get the money for there bad pension deals made with the unions back in the 70's We already give an amount equal to %55 of what tax we give the state and they want more.
Unemployment is 9.8 and belly's stupid statement that only %5 college grads are unemployed don't tell you where they are employed at. McDonald's I am sure has plenty of them along with Walmart and Target and the local Grocery store, I even know three that work at the local Kohl's store.

Manufacturing has gone over seas and now tech jobs are going, we can't survive as just a service oriented economy. Who is going to be able to afford the services? What happens to those who can't afford any, who pays and how.


I didn't post the statistic that you refered to as stupid, that was what inbalance 99 wrote.

It's amusing that you want to blame Obama for jobs going overseas...when in reality it is the greedy corporations that have abandoned the American workforce for cheap labor markets. Another example of your confusion over what is really going on in our country and the world.


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when in reality it is the greedy corporations that have abandoned the American workforce for cheap labor markets. Another example of your confusion over what is really going on in our country and the world.


I'm a shareholder in many of those "greedy corporations" that you chose to castigate and frankly I don't care where they're located as long as I get my quarterly percentages. They've moved overseas for two reasons -- both directly caused by the alpha hotels in Utopia, DC who've chosen to drop their drawers and spread their cheeks for organized labor and the environmentalists rather than legislate in a reasoned manner based on the majority opinion of their constituents who do not buy into the junk science of "global warming" or the thuggery imposed by trade unions. If you have a problem with those of us who've "won life's lottery" then that's your boat to row. But don't expect willing investors to emark upon the fool's errand of trying to save your beloved socialism. I'd rather bury my money in a mason jar than subsidize a command economy doomed to failure.

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