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whew, big troubles in the gulf of Mexico! One possibly good thing to come from this eco tragedy is, maybe people will realize hurricane Katrina wasn't x-President Bush fault and this BP disaster isn't President Obama's fault. That being said, blow the somanabatch up now and quit farting around with the gulf, I had a bad feeling about it and still do 'cause there is always a reason when the powers that be won't fix a problem, some of them can't be trusted and it can only get worse, so if they don't care, why?

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whew, big troubles in the gulf of Mexico! One possibly good thing to come from this eco tragedy is, maybe people will realize hurricane Katrina wasn't x-President Bush fault and this BP disaster isn't President Obama's fault. That being said, blow the somanabatch up now and quit farting around with the gulf, I had a bad feeling about it and still do 'cause there is always a reason when the powers that be won't fix a problem, some of them can't be trusted and it can only get worse, so if they don't care, why?


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Get a bunch of oil company executives and put 'em in a blender. The execu-oil will be so dense they just tip it over the side of a ship and it'll sink and plug the leak. Too easy!

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I"d drop all the crappy pop/emo bands into the bottom of the ocean.

If it doesn't fix the leak, at least it'll fix one problem.

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I guess I shoulda checked back on this one a little earlier. Ok I guess 5000 feet is pretty deep at that. I don't see how capping the pipe will increase flow by 20% as one poster put it.

Also I bet that Alberta oil sand don't look so dirty anymore.

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OK but the end result is CAPPING the pipe is it not? Resulting in a decrease in oil emisions of 100 % ... no?

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Riley,

1 'barrel of oil' is equal to 42 U.S. gallons (35 Imperial gallons or 159 liters)

Perhaps ironically, this still isn't the biggest spill in the history of the Gulf of Mexico.

Ixtoc was a two-mile deep exploratory well that leaked at an estimated rate of 10,000 to 30,000 barrels per day for almost ten months until it was capped in March 1980. The total amount spilled was estimated to be 140 million gallons (roughly 530 million litres,)of crude oil.

Different estimates of the current leak range anywhere from 12,000-19,000(BP and the US Gov't's early claims, now adjusted far upward), to other groups guessing numbers up to 72,000 barrels a day. there are several other estimates in between. It's really hard to say which.But figure a rough estimate of an olympic sized swimming pool every 3 days.(i did the math.)

Given the average estimate for this spill it will exceed the prior one at Ixtoc in anywhere from 3 to 5 months to as long as 10 months depending on which estimates you believe for each spill. So not time to completely panic yet.

Keep in mind that the Exxon Valdez and other tanker accidents have spilled more oil.

In 91 Iraqi soldiers flooded the Persian Gulf, to try prevent our forces landing, with oil. Lowball estimates are of 1.5 Billion litres (3 times the Ixtoc spill, and many many times the current one,) and the higher estimates being 100 times that amount. (The belief strongly favours the higher , although not the highest estimates, but in the range of 50 billion litres.)

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OK but the end result is CAPPING the pipe is it not? Resulting in a decrease in oil emisions of 100 % ... no?


The reason for the relief wells, yes multiple, are to have them close enough to the current site, to lower output pressure enough to be able to cap the well.

so the sunniest estimate for capping the well with conventional methods would be in August, the time it will take to drill these new wells. this site was a record setter for depth, at 35,000 feet.

The failed attempt for a top kill, just plugging the hole, is the reason it's not out of the realm of possibility to consider Nuking it.

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Nevin1985 wrote:
They will never nuke it. If they do.... wrong decision... big time. Probably will just collapse and create a super emesis. :shock:


Not every nuke is a Multi kiloton bomb. The well is a little under a mile from the surface of the ocean, but it is a drilled a little over 6 and half miles deep from the ocean floor. Given the water, and pressure it's entirely possible only a small nuke might work. if a major tropical storm or even hurricane were to threaten, that nuclear option might look pretty good.

depending on the structure of the rock formations it is far more likely to just seal it, less likely to fail, and extremely unlikely to cause a giant vomit into space.

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But do they even have a nuclear weapon that can function at those pressures / depths?
\\They'll work, the question is, do they still have any that small kicking around, and if they do, are they going to admit it, and use it?

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As if the oil leak wasn't bad enough.

Now their advising should a Hurricane enter the Gulf, upon landfall it will pick up the oil and shower same over whatever unlucky region wins that lotto.

The results well be an oily coating mixed with water on pretty much everywhere the oil laden storm drops rain.

Insurance company's are on the ball already sending out letters that this won't be covered.

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Miami Mike wrote:
...if it was YOUR responsibility, how would you stop it?

Hi Mike: I have absolutely no idea how to stop a gushing well at 5000 feet under the sea. Which is why I haven't drilled one.

I think we can see where I'm going with that...?

People around the world, especially in BP's home country, are shocked and dismayed by this catastrophe and have deep sympathy and fellow feeling for all those affected by it.

I find it too awful to joke about. ...But I did get a small giggle at the idea earlier on this thread that a couple of scuba divers could pop down and fix it. I do some diving: the deepest I've ever been is 40 m / 130 feet, where the water pressure is already five times that at the surface.

This leaking well is 1500 m / 5000 feet down, where the pressure is 158 bar / 2300 pounds (over a ton) per square inch. That would squash your rib cage flatter than a guitar pick - which would look quite comical as well as hurting a bit...!

I'm afraid BP are proving it is a little more complicated than that... :(

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As if the oil leak wasn't bad enough.

Now their advising should a Hurricane enter the Gulf, upon landfall it will pick up the oil and shower same over whatever unlucky region wins that lotto.

The results well be an oily coating mixed with water on pretty much everywhere the oil laden storm drops rain.

Insurance company's are on the ball already sending out letters that this won't be covered.
It is kind of like that part of your policy that says your Home is not covered for damage caused by War or nuclear fall out.

A stock analyst said Bp may have a dividend drop of 20% in the future. :shock: He then went into the cost of cleanup and max amount of fines they can be charged and the revenues. BP makes a lot of money.

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Nevin1985 wrote:
I think damage amounts (in dollars) have been grossly exaggerated thus far if you compare them to other massive oil spills.

This one is different, but up to this point, I think people are overreacting about the cost of cleanup.

But then again, if this thing leaks FOREVER that will change everything. :shock:


I don't think that they really know what the long term affect might be. This could keep leaking until August one report stated.

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