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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 2:55 pm
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Here's another story, doesn't have to do witht he ACLU, but I wonder if the ACLU would represent the student, or the teacher in this case.

http://www.foxnewsradio.com/2010/05/09/ ... z0nXLrR380


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What is the difference between a collectives right and individuals right are not the collective made up of individuals.
And face it the ACLA for the most part has work against Christian beliefs. They have taken the first amendment and twisted.They have stayed true to there beginnings of communist and socialist agendas for the most part. Capeye we will never agree for I am conservative and you are leftwing liberal. The forced elimination of many religious beliefs among other things in the name of civil liberty have just sped up the erosion of our society.Our parents generation had it better then us and our kids will not have it as good as we.


cv i enjoy a good debate...please don't take it personally...yes we will never agree on some things but i have a hunch that the two of us have more in common than either one of us would admit.

i have made my arguments. i will leave this thread to those who can't seem to understand that the majority cannot impose it's will on the minority when the majority action interferes with constitutionally protected rights and that government cannot act in areas that the constitution specifically prohibits.


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I'm sorry I clicked this thread! That being said, the aclu is s--t, and so are those that support it. Back to my Strat! Buh Bye


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One thing that makes me feel better is there are eight National Rifle Association members for each ACLU member. :wink:

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Democracy has been described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for supper. In other words, the voice of the majority is little more than mob rule. If you go through life always agreeing with the mob, you will seldom be challenged. But freedom of speech extends not just to pleasant speech, to agreeable speech or to popular speech--but to all speech.

During my 22 years in the Air Force, I repeatedly pledged my life to support and defend and the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. To deny anyone their right to free speech would be to reject that oath. I have no intention of doing that.

So while I may be repulsed by groups like the Westboro Baptist Church or Ku Klux Klan, and though I may disagree with what they say and everything they stand for, I will--as Voltaire said--defend to the death their right to say it.

Promoting freedom of speech for those outside the majority is not a question of "political correctness." It is one of the most important cornerstones of the American tradition.

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JasonSD wrote:
Here's another story, doesn't have to do witht he ACLU, but I wonder if the ACLU would represent the student, or the teacher in this case.

http://www.foxnewsradio.com/2010/05/09/ ... z0nXLrR380


that is the biggest load of BS ever. something is fuked up in that teachers mind!


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Freedom of expression is the right to express oneself. Not the right to be heard. The American nazis can speak their views, but any community should have the right to decline to issue a permit to demonstrate. Based on taste alone.

That's just one issue. The ACLU also argued a bank robber wasnt armed, because the pistol in his waistband wasnt in his hand. How does that help me?


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Captain I agree with you, but what about the minority forcing it's will on the majority, which is what is happening with many of the things the ACLU has defended.
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Wheres the ACLU here ? Look real 1961 Hawaii birth certificates!!!! Stand up for the Constitution ACLU?
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105347

We have a right to know!!!!
There are Men and Women dying in foreign lands under the command of a President who refuses to release a original copy of his birth certificate that contains birth location and hospital information.
He has spent offer one million dollars fighting this ask yourself why!!!!

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JasonSD wrote:
Here's another story, doesn't have to do witht he ACLU, but I wonder if the ACLU would represent the student, or the teacher in this case.

http://www.foxnewsradio.com/2010/05/09/ ... z0nXLrR380


America's education system has been destroyed by left leaning teachers professors and administrators and will continue to be corrupted and destroyed by these communist and socialist people.

Captain your posts are always thoughtful and your good intentions are appreciated but in the the blinding light of what happened at the above mentioned school and the persistent refusal to produce a birth certificate for our president makes you wonder about some kind of perverted cooperation between our government and our education system that has nothing to do with majority's or minority's

"i have made my arguments. i will leave this thread to those who can't seem to understand that the majority cannot impose it's will on the minority when the majority action interferes with constitutionally protected rights and that government cannot act in areas that the constitution specifically prohibits."

I posted this way because you can tell that you are making sense but the people involved in the cover up's just will not stop being bad ( in the story above I thought it is hopeless when the teacher told the student she should not have gotten her parents involved. how does this teacher still have a job in our school system?).

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Well, that's what happens when you appoint someone like Kevin Jennings as the safe school czar.

Look him up if you don't know the name. And see if you think he should be in the position he's in.

Also look up Harry Hay, someone who Kevin jennings said he admired.


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JasonSD wrote:
Well, that's what happens when you appoint someone like Kevin Jennings as the safe school czar.

Look him up if you don't know the name. And see if you think he should be in the position he's in.

Also look up Harry Hay, someone who Kevin jennings said he admired.

Nope!
Obama has surrounded himself with ultra leftist. If he could pull it off he would have ha d Bill Ayers and Rudd in office somewhere but there days as the Weathermen are to known but you notice they are both in higher education. These are people who declared "The Days of Rage" there War against capitalist America, fund raisers and Obama's Friends!!!!
If you want a interesting read look up Tom Fife essay on Obama this was in the 90's when he was told of Obama while in Russia and that he could be our first Communist President.

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Here's a new story about Hawaii passing a law to ignore people's request for Obama's birth certificate.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/ ... ments.html


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Well I first heard about the obama- ayers connection in like 2007. There's rumors too that Ayers ghost wrote obama's autobiography.


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JasonSD wrote:
Here's a new story about Hawaii passing a law to ignore people's request for Obama's birth certificate.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/ ... ments.html
But Dr. Chiyome Fukino will testify to the fact in court. Theres a Army Doctor who has been in the service I think for 18 years has refused orders do to the fact that he believes Obama not to be natural born. Fikino will not testify at his hearing to the facts. And his lawyer has shown where anybody could get certificates pf birth from Hawaii whether they where born there or not just by registering. Another soldier did this also and instead of a court battle the Military waved his orders to avoid the issue.
They do not want this Birth Certificate to be released and have gone to enormous measures. If they would just Release the birth certificate with the info on it none of these things would be necessary. Over a Million fighting it and the cost to tax payers of laws having to be passed and so on.

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