confusing video, must see to believe, thanks Bros

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i would imagine that aclu is in the process of looking into the the 5 kids you mentioned to see if their case has legal merit. if it does i am sure they will represent them. this incident you mentioned just happened on may 5th. at the very lest there needs to be a thorough investigation of the incident which may be going on now to determine if the 5 individuals constitutional rights were violated.

there is no such thing as tyranny of the minority...what you seem to want to call tyranny of the minority is the fact that sometimes the majority abuses their power and does things that are unconstitutional. the framers of the constitution knew this and included a bill of rights to endow ALL CITIZENS WITH RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES...NOT JUST THE MAJORITY...AGAIN ALL CITIZENS. this is what the aclu seeks to keep in check, that is government and majority overreaching that results in the trampling of constitutional rights of YES EVEN FRINGE GROUPS AS YOU PUT IT. the aclu recognizes that their is a need for their work because if the constitution does not extend to the free speech rights of a repugnant group like nazis today then which group is next to lose their free speech and other constitutional rights?

also, your calling the aclu the american commie lawyers association further shows your own ignorance and bias in this area. again a red herring that skirts the main discussion and attempts to label a group with a political and economic philosophy that the majority of aclu members probably don't ascribe to.

Here's a story for you, and notice how close the vote was...

http://www.newsique.com/us/desert_cross ... igh_court/

thanks for posting JasonSD

again again some miss the point so completely

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care to shed light on what you mean by...again again some miss the point so completely?

as far as the cross case this article is a little more informative then the other linked article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/29/us/29cross.html

When you ACLU you never know ridiculous thing they are supporting!
You want a case, how about this for one.
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ORLANDO, Fla. -- Florida's refusal to issue a driver's license to a Muslim woman unless she is photographed without her veil violates her religious rights, an ACLU attorney argued in court Tuesday.

The requirement by the state Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles is a burden on Saltaana Freeman, a 35-year-old convert to Islam whose religious beliefs require her to keep her head and face covered out of modesty, said Howard Marks, an attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida.

"This is about religious liberty. It's about whether this country is going to have religious diversity,'' said Marks at the beginning of Freeman's nonjury trial. "Allowing the state to chip away at religious liberties is not a path we want to go down.''

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What good is a picture on a Driver License if you can't see the face? How would you match it to the person? The ACLU is a joke.

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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

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just be glad all you have is the ACLU. we have what are called 'Human Rights Commissions' which conduct witch hunts designed to destroy free speech, and any 'non-politically correct' thought

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story ... 6cf3f0acb1

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Twelvebar- Wont be long now....

SBLS- I forget to tell you before 'cause I got distracted, but:
When the Spanish finally drove out the muslims, after 750 yrs of domination, they planted large crosses along their southern coast.
Not as a welcome mat, no. It was a warning to the foreign devils to stay out or die. It took seven hundred and fifty years to get free, and the Spanish weren't in the mood for multiculturalism.

SBLS, hold your sword up by the blade, and look at it. It's a cross.
You may have to use it.

i don't know your source from the above article but there is a little bit more to the story than what you put in your post.

some important facts that you left out:

1. Freeman had no problem using a photograph wearing her niqab when she obtained a Florida license in February 2001, shortly after moving to Winter Park from Decatur, Illinois. She had a driver's license with the face veil while she lived in Illinois, which is one of at least 15 states with exemptions in driver's license statutes for people who have religious objections to being photographed. It was only after the September 11th attacks that the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles sent Freeman a letter instructing her to replace her old photograph with one showing her entire face. After she declined, her license was revoked.

2. At this week's trial, the ACLU also plans to argue the state is singling out Freeman based on her religious beliefs, while allowing others to obtain driving permits without photographs. According to Marks, Florida officials issued more than 800,000 temporary licenses and/or driving permits - without photographs - in the past five years to individuals in a variety of different categories. Convicted drunk drivers with revoked licenses are legally allowed to drive in Florida using only driving permits without photographs, as are foreign nationals, those who failed their eye or written exams and military personnel.

3.During day one of the scheduled four-day trial, Marks will argue that state officials violated Florida's Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) when they revoked the driver's license of Sultaana Freeman of Winter Park, a devout Muslim who wears a face veil called a niqab and does not reveal her face to strangers or men outside her family, as dictated by her Islamic faith. The 1998 RFRA law prohibits Florida officials from interfering with a person's religious practice without a "compelling governmental interest." The ACLU also will argue the state's actions violate the Florida Constitution's free exercise clause, which limits governmental restrictions on religious exercise.

its funny that you sighted this case as an example of the aclu supporting a ridiculous cause. i find it exactly the opposite of ridiculous. but i guess the florida state government ignoring it's own laws, trampling on a women's sincere religious belief and treating her differently than other citizens is okay in your book.

http://www.aclu.org/religion-belief/acl ... orced-remo

is that the best you can do?...little minds resort to violence...

very heavy Twelvebar, thanks for posting. captain eyeball, ...little minds resort to violence..."SBLS, hold your sword up by the blade, and look at it. It's a cross.
You may have to use it."
, figurative language meant to inspire all the way 'round point of origination or initiation that the cross represents INRI "Jewish person from Nazareth King of the Jews" died on a cross but it represents the way he lived to us, and you know he loved every body. You can only go up from there?

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Figurative? What about that line from that C.S. Lewis series? (Yes, I read it)

Q "Is he (Aslan) a safe lion?"

A "There are no safe lions."

Well driving is a privilege not a right anyway. So seems to me they don't have to give her a dl if they don't want to.

Another ridiculous statement from the ACLU from there own site.
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The ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court's conclusion about the nature of the right protected by the Second Amendment. We do not, however, take a position on gun control itself. In our view, neither the possession of guns nor the regulation of guns raises a civil liberties issue.
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I beg to differ on there belief. The Second Amendment says
out right not be infringed.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I repeat the right of the PEOPLE I am a PEOPLE any law against ownership are a infringement of my rights and it is a civil liberties issue. The ACLU's way of taking a position on gun control and that position of being for gun control is to say its not a civil liberties issue.

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I cant believe what the hell I am reading. How the hell does five kids wearing a flag on there shirts violate anyone of Mexican decent,s liberties. That is like someone wearing a Puerto Rican shirt at the Colombus day parade, am I supposed to get mad. The last time I looked I live in America not Mexico, can someone explain how they were violated. Are we supposed to close the country on an ethnic celebration. Hey we all have ethnic roots that we are proud of but my Father was not fighting for Italy during WWII. I live in the biggest melting pot in the world NY, and we probably have the least amount of all this touchy my feelings are hurt nonsense. It is because of groups like this our country is going down the tubes. Why is it if one kid is an atheist a group like this can make a stink and 30 other kids cant pray. Hey you dont believe sit down it is that simple. I know a lot of people that dont believe in God but they are not out there making a stink. Also seen some get terminally ill in there 40s and have a big change of heart, funny how someones views can change when the end is near. I respect everyone's religion and ethnic background, and most of all my rights that is why I would use the patriot act for toilet paper yes they suckered everyone in with that one. If you ask me we are getting it from both ends the far left and the far right and I am at the point where I dont trust any of them. This country was founded on the constitution and In God We Trust, I grew up believing that then and and I still believe it now. I also hated when they stripped people of retaining council, I dont care what anyone is accused of you have the right to have a lawyer. I also believe that if you are a known outspoken enemy of the country forget water boarding get a pair of pliers and a blowtorch if it will save innocent lives.