I would still like to see the orginal, the one that was issued a few days after his birth.

Not a 1961 reissue

And lets not forget for the years he was living and going to school in Indonesia and he went by the name Barry Soetoro this has never been disputed. The school records show him as as Indonesian and a practicing Muslim.


It is said that a Mombasa, Kenya, Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. at a Kenya Maternity Hospital, to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a U.S. citizen have been sealed.

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This country is just going to hell in a hand basket as my grandpa would say... and he'd be a huge supporter of Arizona

Did you guys ever hear anything about donald young or larry sinclair and obama? Nothing was ever proven to be true so I won't go into it, but chances are you don't know anything about it whether it was true or not because the media didn't talk about it. If it was a republican president these would of been big stories.

Because most of the media is liberal... I don't know what Fox news and CNN is though... I never watch any of that because half the time it's retarded and I don't understand what they're saying or they get it all wrong

CV- Wow. I just googled 'barry soetoro'. I always thought the birthers were nuts, but maybe not. obama paid $950,000 to 11 firms in 12 states to
keep his records sealed. Campaign funds, that is.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/bi ... dental.asp

If all this is true......

Oops, I should've read the entire thing. It's all disputed at the end of page.
Still flakey, though. He was all over the place. I wonder why obama has resisted disclosure if all is legit.

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.


'nuff said....

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I am not going to get involved in this post though I really want to.lol

again a quote from the factcheck.org report about the process of requesting birth certificates in hawaii:

"The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department".

i believe the hawaii department of health is a state entity.

now quotes from your provided link that provides state birth certificates:

"We obtain an original copy of the birth certificates that can be used for travel in Mexico and Canada, for driving license and passport applications. We can obtain Birth Certificates for ALMOST every state in the US, see the list on the right and click for information on the state that you are interested in".

"The price starts at $34.00 for each Hawaii Birth Certificate, which includes one certified copy of the Birth Certificate. The STATE can and does change its prices without any warning".

notice the word state in the last quote from you linked website. the birth certificate website you linked obtains birth certificates from the state of hawaii...meaning from the hawaii department of health...as correctly mentioned in the factcheck.org report...quote

" The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department".

therefore all your linked website can provide is a short form birth certificate from hawaii exactly what obama already provided. apparently according to you linked website this is an acceptable birth certificate.


also, do you really think, knowing how much that some republican senators and congressman despise obama, that they as public servants would remain silent about obamas birth place if the had credible evidence that obama is not a u.s. citizen?

godsgifttomusic, you're currently posting under multiple usernames here and I've unfortunately had to ban all as that's strictly forbidden here. If you care to drop me a line and explain what you're attempting to achieve I'm certainly open to considering restoring your access.

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Dude I tried to send you a pm and it wont let me. I am not posting under multiple user names. I work in a headshop part time and other board members work here and we only have one computer. When we are board at work we take turns surfing the web and many times end up on the fender board.

Captain eyeball- Good point. The GOP has the cash and contacts to uncover just about anything. Not sure how much of an issue would be made if obama was foriegn born. He's still unqualified, in my view, as was
the previous prez. I mean look at where they've gotten us. By "they" you may go back as far as you like.

Yet, Bush's service records are vague. Somehow they were muddied up.
But, that was in-house, in Texas. With obama's travels it would be tough to cover his tracks.

Thats interesting, its funny and a little ironic- yet at the same time, being that New Zealand is a member of the Commonwealth and the British Empire- we even have a grand statue in London and a grand embassy like all the other commonwealth countries- yet migrating to England requires enourmous amounts of hoops and red-tape to go through. I think in my opinion, A kiwi or an Australian would never dream of soaking up a benefit, we are a hard working bunch and are well known for it and we believe in paying our fair share.

Not that im complaining, im making an observation. I have never bothered to apply for work permits in the UK, But I think the reason why our own national opinion is divided on becoming a republic, is because the notion that the our motherland really does very little, if anything for the benefit of our nation these days. Especially since the privy counsel ceases to exist.
Even our Prime Minister said that the outcome of the British election will have no impact on our $NZD at all.

My prediction, is that both NZ and Australia may end up becoming republics in our own right and sharing the same currency in the next 30years.

We have our laws, our government, we have a stable currency and good trade, we are in top 10 of the list for countries to live and our national well-being is amoung the best for our citizens in the OECD. We are an independant bunch and I really hope that immigration/migration can be recognised by both the Monarchy and the British Government. Hell, our English cousins love NZ and the quality of life it brings, our graduate students love the experiences the UK has to offer abroad..

Someone asked, "Tell me what country you can go and get a drivers licence and pay tax without getting citizenship etc...?"

I can pack my things next week, (Hypothetically) book a flight to Australia leaving on the monday- I can set up a tax ID and a bank account the next day and start work. Allbeit I would not qualify for any sick benefits or anything like that for 2-4 years (give or take), but because I am a New Zealand Citizen and my family live there (all but three of us in NZ), becoming an Australian Citizen would be on a priority and would take 3 years to complete. An Australian Citizen can do the same in New Zealand.

Getting back to topic, Ive never been to America or anything but the only way to combat this sort of thing is to build a wall at your border with razor sharp wire, man it with armed guards and thorougly check cars, trucks and busses etc... at customs border gates, and have the immigration dept knuckle down. It shouldnt get to the point of making people produce documents on demand..

I dont know really, I hope your Govt. sorts it all out soon

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Blertles- Much more likely the Brits will emigrate to Oz and NZ in the future. They may already be, I dont know.

Did NZ have a housing crash, like most of the 'west', if I may call you 'west'?