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Nothing fancy... I think the farthest from dominant would be a Minor7
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/r/r ... ny_tab.htm

However, they don't play full 5-6 string power chords.. They are playing bits and pieces... Mostly the higher register of the chord without the root in the bass position.. They are letting the bass player show his importance.. that is what (imho) makes for a good arrangement..

In jazz, we do this all the time..


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During the verse the guitarist is playing two and three string embellishments kind of like Hendrix used to do.


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Real tight bass and kick groove! I think that's what gives it the funky feel.

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Anyone ever listen closely to the Atlanta Rhythm Section's version of the old Classic IV tune "Spooky". What chords are they playing? Sound quite unusual (but good)!

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Anyone ever listen closely to the Atlanta Rhythm Section's version of the old Classic IV tune "Spooky". What chords are they playing? Sound quite unusual (but good)!


That one has a lot of minor7 which make for a very mellow tone... There is also a transition in it with a DIM7 which to me causes a lot of tension... Also some 7/6 chords which are not too far from your normal dominant 7th blues chords...

The DIM7 is the Dominant 7th chord with a flat 3rd and a flat 5th so it's basically a minor 7th with a flat 5th... It has a sound of tension and uncomfortableness... it's usually used to transition from one comfortable sound to another comfortable sound... But the notes in the DIM7 chord usually possess mostly (if not all ) notes in the key being played....It makes the arrangement more interesting to listen to..


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RVM lead wrote:
Anyone ever listen closely to the Atlanta Rhythm Section's version of the old Classic IV tune "Spooky". What chords are they playing? Sound quite unusual (but good)!


I've always played Fm7 / Bb6 (or Bb13) for the main verse, then that one
diminished chord (Bdim7) for the "you stop and say--allright" part.

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Miami Mike wrote:
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Anyone ever listen closely to the Atlanta Rhythm Section's version of the old Classic IV tune "Spooky". What chords are they playing? Sound quite unusual (but good)!


I've always played Fm7 / Bb6 (or Bb13) for the main verse, then that one
diminished chord (Bdim7) for the "you stop and say--allright" part.


Mike:
I assume you are talking about 12 bar blues here ? Or maybe you are talking about spooky ?
We should start a thread with all the different 12 bar blues patterns we have come across in our time... I think there may be many who don't realize all the different ways musicians have written the blues in history... Miles Davis and Thelonius Monk come to mind as the most unusual...


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MiamiMike and CajunBlues........Thanks for the info.

Some years back I found the following on the internet: Em7,A7/6,Bbdim7, and B7. These seemed to follow closely the Classics IV version and when jamming with someone, I'd tell them the 'simplified' version of all 7th chords (Em7,A7,Bb7,B7) which sounded OK. Recently I've been playing with some other guys and they tell me both are wrong for the Atlanta Rhythm Section version, yet they argue between each other which chords should be played :? :?

I'll have to try the chords you state, which means I'll have to look up 13th's and dim7ths since, with the music I play, I rarely use them. :oops:

Reminds me of the time I bought a music book with original chords as used in James Taylor's songs! :shock: Never did master all of those :(

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MiamiMike and CajunBlues........Thanks for the info.

Some years back I found the following on the internet: Em7,A7/6,Bbdim7, and B7. These seemed to follow closely the Classics IV version and when jamming with someone, I'd tell them the 'simplified' version of all 7th chords (Em7,A7,Bb7,B7) which sounded OK. Recently I've been playing with some other guys and they tell me both are wrong for the Atlanta Rhythm Section version, yet they argue between each other which chords should be played :? :?

I'll have to try the chords you state, which means I'll have to look up 13th's and dim7ths since, with the music I play, I rarely use them. :oops:

Reminds me of the time I bought a music book with original chords as used in James Taylor's songs! :shock: Never did master all of those :(


The only substitute I don't like in (Em7,A7,Bb7,B7) is the Bb7 for the Bddim7... A diminished chord will have a significantly different sound than a dominant chord.. But if you use a lot of overdrive/distortion... It doesn't matter since you won't hear all the notes anyway...

If you don't want to play a 13 chord a 9 chord makes a very nice substitute... You can get a way with a 7 chord to subtitute for a 9 or 13...

Why ?

7 chord -- Root 3, 5, 7
9 chord -- Root 3, 5, 7, 9
13 chord -- Root 3, 5, 7 , 9, 13

See how they are all related ?


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7 chord -- Root 3, 5, 7
9 chord -- Root 3, 5, 7, 9
13 chord -- Root 3, 5, 7 , 9, 13

See how they are all related ?


So, a 9th also includes the 7th? and a 13th includes a 7th and 9th?

For a 13th, since a chromatic scale has 12 notes, what is the 13th...an octave + 1?

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7 chord -- Root 3, 5, 7
9 chord -- Root 3, 5, 7, 9
13 chord -- Root 3, 5, 7 , 9, 13

See how they are all related ?


So, a 9th also includes the 7th? and a 13th includes a 7th and 9th?

For a 13th, since a chromatic scale has 12 notes, what is the 13th...an octave + 1?


13 refers to the number of steps not notes... Think of 1 step=2frets
However there are 2 exceptions... the 3 to 4 is 1/2 step
and 6 to 7 is 1/2 step....
Sometimes I think it's rocket science....

Lets look at C
C-Db-D-Eb-E-F-Gb-G-Ab-A-Bb-B-C

1=C
2=D
3=E
4=F
5=G
6=A
7=Bb
9=D
13=A

13=6th
7= 1 step (2 frets) below root
9= 1 step (2frets) above root


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I just posted a site on the One Hit Wonders thread that has thousands of old song's lyrics chords and chord diagrams.I'm pretty sure the address is www.chordie.com they have some pretty obscure stuff.

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Hey Cajun,
I think I remember you're a jazz player....what's a good reference source for jazz chords and leads for a blues player like me who uses lots of minor 7ths,6ths,9ths,etc.
I have played some jazzy stuff in the past but still want to expand my style...even after 40 years. :) I come across some good sounding jazz chords but can't seem to put them where they need to go all the time.


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Rebelsoul wrote:
Hey Cajun,
I think I remember you're a jazz player....what's a good reference source for jazz chords and leads for a blues player like me who uses lots of minor 7ths,6ths,9ths,etc.
I have played some jazzy stuff in the past but still want to expand my style...even after 40 years. :) I come across some good sounding jazz chords but can't seem to put them where they need to go all the time.


you are going to think this is a strange approach... but the best way to do this is to look at how other jazz composers/arrangers do it....

Buy a real book... for each song, find out which key is being played... and see what chords they use for each key...

Be careful because some songs (e.g. Summertime which is in A minor) are in different keys than the key signature... And in some songs the key changes !!

If you are unclear ask the folks out on Yahoo Jazz Guitar Group... or ask me...

Look through these jazz charts for blues also... The 12 bar patterns you see sometimes will blow your mind... For example, Route 66 is a well defined 12 bar blues, but the chords and pattern are somewhat different than typical...

I have this book
http://www.amazon.com/Just-Standards-Re ... 465&sr=8-3

It's pretty damn good at offering you good chord choices... There are even sections where it gives you other chord options in the piece..


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