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Post subject: Less Floyd Please
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:08 am
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I have a chance to pickup a descent guitar cheap, but it has a Flyod Rose on it. I realise what would be involved in changing the bridge out, but what would be necassary to put in a normal nut? Is it possible?

I just have never been a fan of Floyd Rose's.

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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 5:17 am
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nicholsoni wrote:
I have a chance to pickup a descent guitar cheap, but it has a Flyod Rose on it. I realise what would be involved in changing the bridge out, but what would be necassary to put in a normal nut? Is it possible?

I just have never been a fan of Floyd Rose's.


It is possible: The mounting holes for the Floyd locking nut and string retainer would have to be doweled and sealed; the ledge which seats the Floyd locking nut would have to be rebuilt and sealed especially behind where the new curved slot for installing the conventional nut would have to be created. Lastly, a string tree or two will most likely need to be installed.

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Post subject: Re: Less Floyd Please
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:18 pm
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Martian wrote:
nicholsoni wrote:
I have a chance to pickup a descent guitar cheap, but it has a Flyod Rose on it. I realise what would be involved in changing the bridge out, but what would be necassary to put in a normal nut? Is it possible?

I just have never been a fan of Floyd Rose's.


It is possible: The mounting holes for the Floyd locking nut and string retainer would have to be doweled and sealed; the ledge which seats the Floyd locking nut would have to be rebuilt and sealed especially behind where the new curved slot for installing the conventional nut would have to be created. Lastly, a string tree or two will most likely need to be installed.

Hello!

Another option for you to consider...

If it were me......I would get hold of a LSR roller nut kit which comes with an adapter (the black part in the pic) for wilkinson nuts which I believe may well work to replace your floyd locking nut. Saves having to build up the headstock end of the nut and fitting string trees. If you are thinking of doing the work yourself this may be the easiest option.

I've never done this myself so can't be 100% sure.

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Post subject: Re: Less Floyd Please
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:11 pm
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Andybighair wrote:
Another option for you to consider...

If it were me......I would get hold of a LSR roller nut kit which comes with an adapter (the black part in the pic) for wilkinson nuts which I believe may well work to replace your floyd locking nut. Saves having to build up the headstock end of the nut and fitting string trees. If you are thinking of doing the work yourself this may be the easiest option.

I've never done this myself so can't be 100% sure.

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Notice where the strings sit more or less centered on the LSR. With Floyd nuts, the strings sit at the very forward edge. Consequently, for the LSR to work properly, MORE wood would have to be removed from the fingerboard with more holes drilled.

Frankly, if it were me and this was not a 'high end' guitar, I'd leave the Floyd string retainer in along with the Floyd nut minus its locking screws and pads. YMMV.

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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:50 pm
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Martian wrote:
Notice where the strings sit more or less centered on the LSR. With Floyd nuts, the strings sit at the very forward edge. Consequently, for the LSR to work properly, MORE wood would have to be removed from the fingerboard.

Frankly, if it were me and this was not a 'high end' guitar, I'd leave the Floyd string retainer in along with the Floyd nut minus its locking screws and pads. YMMV.


Good point Martian.

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Post subject: Re: Less Floyd Please
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:56 pm
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nicholsoni wrote:
I have a chance to pickup a descent guitar cheap, but it has a Flyod Rose on it. I realise what would be involved in changing the bridge out, but what would be necassary to put in a normal nut? Is it possible?

I just have never been a fan of Floyd Rose's.


agreed, and I feel the same way about the god awful ugly LSR roller nut on a guitar.

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I love an LSR nut and dont find them ugly at all but I could see how it might not be some peoples cup of tea. But they sure as hell work great.


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I love an LSR nut and dont find them ugly at all but I could see how it might not be some peoples cup of tea. But they sure as hell work great.

+1 straycat

Mine works a treat! I go as far as to say its "Whamy-tastic!"! :D

I still think in this case shaving a relatively small amount off the fret board would be easier to achieve than re-building the rear of the headstock. Yet you'd have to fully commit to the LSR as replacing that with a standard nut would be more work that dealing with the floyd nut.

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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:43 am
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Andybighair wrote:
I still think in this case shaving a relatively small amount off the fret board would be easier to achieve than re-building the rear of the headstock. Yet you'd have to fully commit to the LSR as replacing that with a standard nut would be more work that dealing with the floyd nut.

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You'd still have to rebuild behind the nut area in addition to removing wood in front of it to accommodate the LSR. Consequently, installing an OEM type nut is less work and retaining the Floyd as I've said above is no work.

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Martian wrote:
You'd still have to rebuild behind the nut area in addition to removing wood in front of it to accommodate the LSR.


Use of the wilkinson adapter would negate a rebuild behind the LSR nut right?

Though I'm still in agreement that the hassle free way forward would be to leave the locking nut minus the pads, as you rightly mentioned earlier.

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Martian wrote:
You'd still have to rebuild behind the nut area in addition to removing wood in front of it to accommodate the LSR.


Use of the wilkinson adapter would negate a rebuild behind the LSR nut right?

Though I'm still in agreement that the hassle free way forward would be to leave the locking nut minus the pads, as you rightly mentioned earlier.

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Cosmetics aside, logically, any appropriate device which would firmly secure the machine head side of the LSR nut correctly in its slot would negate the necessity of a rebuild in that back area.

The way I feel about it, unless it is to restore some kind of high end or pedigreed guitar (or there is some sort of nostalgic imperative), any remedial task above and beyond stripping down the Floyd nut is a waste of time, money and materiel. That's not to say I wouldn't do it for a paying customer. Rather, I'd do it in a heartbeat if the price was right. YMMV.

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