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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:48 pm
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I thought maybe I overreacted to the article in GW. Good to see I wasn't alone! Of all the people who could've been used in the pages of the mag they had to pick this guy? Unbelieveable!


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I disagree with you on the bit about editing out expletives in interviews very strongly. As I see it, while I in no way condone the extremes Vikernes is guilty of, the man does have a right to say whatever he pleases. The fact the interview is ran and printed unedited should be always be done out of respect to someone else's perception of integrity.

Call it PC BS if you want, but I know if I were ever interviewed for Guitar World or something like, I wouldn't want to see the whole "*******" banter where I dropped a random f-bomb if I were saying it to convey my emotions about a certain issue.

The truth is, a magazine is a subscription service. Yeah, you might pick up one on a newsstand somewhere, but they're there for the sole purpose to get you to subscribe to their publication and earn a few extra bucks to keep the lights on. Journalists and editors are nowhere by law required to watch "cuss" words they say in what they write, edit, and publish; it's usually done out of respect to moral values that you don't see "MF" or "sh--" in very mainstream publications like newspapers and large selling magazines like Time.

But back to the point I am attempting to make, Guitar World could throw in a centerfold of a nude Kate Beckinsale straddling a Telecaster and, legally, they could do that. There's nothing really the general public can do about it except perhaps have small boycotts and write a few letters which Guitar World will ignore. The magazine is a subscription service and because you paid to have it delivered to your mailbox every month, it is generally assumed you agreed with its content when you sent the check in along with the subscription card.

It's similar for channels outside of basic cable. How do you think Comedy Central ran the episode of South Park with the word "shi-" unedited out some 100 or so times.


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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:57 pm
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Guitar World has turn into a rag pretty much. I used to have a subscription to it in the 90's, but today it's not the same quality.

I bought an issue a few months ago because it had an article on the life and career of Rory Gallagher. After reading that article, I was permanently done with GW. The mag presented him in a really negative light instead of giving him the respect he deserves.

As far as guitar mags go, read Guitar Player; at least it's more high brow than the drivel printed in GW.


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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:04 pm
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The comment that he was unrepenting was disturbing. That animal should have been put down instead of being released after only 15 years for double murder.

I did not read any further. GW WTF?


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Post subject: Re: Guitar Mag Article in BAD Taste
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:18 pm
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Tuesday I received my copy of Guitar World and was pleased to see that there was a good article on Jimi Hendrix.I was absolutely appalled to see an extensive article singing the praises of convicted murderer,church arsonist and confirmed anti-Christ Varg Vikernes the Norwegian black metal guitarist and band leader from the 80s.I wrote the magazine a letter voicing my disgust.This Mag is about the only Guitar Mag that chooses not to edit out expletives from their more inarticulate interviewees,I'm really questioning whether or not I should renew my subscription to this magazine for promoting such a hateful person.I imagine if they printed an article on a murdering anti-Semetic or rascist there would be an uproar, I wonder how much protest this will garner.

guitslinger, I haven't read this article. In fact, I've never even heard of this musician. But an article about a person--even a criminal--does not automatically constitute "singing the praises of" or "promoting" the subject of the piece. What were your specific objections?

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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:14 pm
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Hi RRH my objections were that they saw fit to give this convicted murderer and hate mongerer credibility by printing an indepth article about him and the disturbing warped messages of his music.There are so many talented musicians out there that deserve to get brought out in the limelight but it seems that Guitar World has taken the same route as National Enquirer and other trash mags and gone for sensationalism.I didn't read the whole article and couldn't read it no more than I could sit and watch a "snuff"film or child pornography.The fact is this subhuman besides being an unrepentant murderer is a confirmed anti-Christ and church arsonist.That is also part of my disgust,if he had openly expressed hatred of blacks,jews,muslims or any other group he wouldn't have had a word printed about him.No credence should be given by such a publication to a person who espouses hatred of any race,religion,sex,creed etc. that is the realm of the junk mags.

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It cost me a fortune but I buy mostly all my magazines from the UK as they blow the US publications out of the water. I have the magazine you mentioned as it came yesterday and to be honest I skipped over that article when I saw Black Metal pioneer as I do not listen to that garbage but will now read it. GW has morphed into a pre pubescent metal mag with 70% adds . Once this subscription runs out adios.


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guitslinger wrote:
Hi RRH my objections were that they saw fit to give this convicted murderer and hate mongerer credibility by printing an indepth article about him and the disturbing warped messages of his music.There are so many talented musicians out there that deserve to get brought out in the limelight but it seems that Guitar World has taken the same route as National Enquirer and other trash mags and gone for sensationalism.I didn't read the whole article and couldn't read it no more than I could sit and watch a "snuff"film or child pornography.The fact is this subhuman besides being an unrepentant murderer is a confirmed anti-Christ and church arsonist.That is also part of my disgust,if he had openly expressed hatred of blacks,jews,muslims or any other group he wouldn't have had a word printed about him.No credence should be given by such a publication to a person who espouses hatred of any race,religion,sex,creed etc. that is the realm of the junk mags.

Okay, so you don't like the guy or what he stands for. But as I said before, printing an article about him is not necessarily the same thing as endorsing his message. I think I need to go find this issue of Guitar World and read it for myself.

Your stance on this guy reminds me of a quote by Tom Lehrer: "I know there are people in this world who do not love their fellow man, and I hate people like that!" 8)

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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:53 am
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mthorn00 wrote:

Two of my friends are actually black and FROM Africa, both happen to be from Nigeria. I can't print how they refer to "African Americans" for fear of incurrring the wrath of the pc police (especially those who dress in mock African garb) . I'm with you on the PC front. Folks should be polite but most of it is just ridiculous. One thing we don't have (and shouldn't have) is the right "not to be offended".


Just my thoughts for your Nigerian friends...It doesn't really matter what they think of black Americans, African-Americans, etc. Their ancestors sold my ancestors into slavery. Its almost like a parent giving their kid up for adoption and complaining about how they turned out as adults. The kid is still yours biologically, but your opinion of the adult they became means squat as you took no responsibility for their upbringing. The majority of my DNA is still African...diluted some, but still African.

Sorry to get off topic...I rarely read Guitar World. I prefer Guitar Player and Premier Guitar.


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I disagree with you on the bit about editing out expletives in interviews very strongly. As I see it, while I in no way condone the extremes Vikernes is guilty of, the man does have a right to say whatever he pleases. The fact the interview is ran and printed unedited should be always be done out of respect to someone else's perception of integrity.

Call it PC BS if you want, but I know if I were ever interviewed for Guitar World or something like, I wouldn't want to see the whole "*******" banter where I dropped a random f-bomb if I were saying it to convey my emotions about a certain issue.

The truth is, a magazine is a subscription service. Yeah, you might pick up one on a newsstand somewhere, but they're there for the sole purpose to get you to subscribe to their publication and earn a few extra bucks to keep the lights on. Journalists and editors are nowhere by law required to watch "cuss" words they say in what they write, edit, and publish; it's usually done out of respect to moral values that you don't see "MF" or "sh--" in very mainstream publications like newspapers and large selling magazines like Time.

But back to the point I am attempting to make, Guitar World could throw in a centerfold of a nude Kate Beckinsale straddling a Telecaster and, legally, they could do that. There's nothing really the general public can do about it except perhaps have small boycotts and write a few letters which Guitar World will ignore. The magazine is a subscription service and because you paid to have it delivered to your mailbox every month, it is generally assumed you agreed with its content when you sent the check in along with the subscription card.

It's similar for channels outside of basic cable. How do you think Comedy Central ran the episode of South Park with the word "shi-" unedited out some 100 or so times.


Ok, yeah I don't care that he curses.

If GW had that pic of Kate Beckinsdale, I would be SOOOOOOOOO happy. Wow. Mental image. That's awesome. I can't express how awesome that mental image is. Wow. just wow.

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Have a laugh on me.

http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/905/top- ... -all-time/

Hope this doesn't offend any Black Metal Fans here. I don't care for that Genre but to each his own.


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Thank you for the laugh captainc. Thos people are rediculous.

This is a very black thread. Black metal and are they black or African American?

I drive a black car, 5 of my guitars are black and I have a black cat. Also 2 of my tattoos are black with no color.

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Thank you for the laugh captainc. Those people are rediculous.

This is a very black thread. Black metal and are they black or African American?

I drive a black car, 5 of my guitars are black and I have a black cat. Also 2 of my tattoos are black with no color.

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Have a laugh on me.

http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/905/top- ... -all-time/

Hope this doesn't offend any Black Metal Fans here. I don't care for that Genre but to each his own.

Holy crap that was funny.... :lol:
I needed that.-N


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Okay, I've read the article now. Since I had no previous knowledge of the subject, I didn't find anything particularly offensive about the story. It dealt very honestly with the bad things the guy has done. His kind of music is not to my taste, but he does seem to be a significant figure for the genre. All in all, I thought it was actually a pretty even-handed piece.

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