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Post subject: Re: LSD (Lead Singer's Disease!)
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:51 am
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...Any of you ever have to deal with Divas or difficult band members?


If situations exactly like this DIDN'T happen all the time, THEN there would be something wrong!

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Post subject: Re: LSD (Lead Singer's Disease!)
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:08 am
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The band that I recently started a couple of months ago, "Broken Wing", let our singer go yesterday. When she first joined the band, she agreed that she would work with us and do whatever we wanted. After a few weeks, she only wanted to do stuff that she liked, such as Neil Young, Greatful Dead, Folk rock, etc, which isn't our style of music. We are a more straight ahead classic rock ,in your face style, Rock n' Roll band and not something out of Woodstock, no offense to the older generation out there. She went and changed our set lists without even consulting us, which really pissed me off, and would tell me how to play my guitar parts. I told her a few days ago that she needed to get on the same page with us and to cut the BS out. She did agree, but Friday night, she told one of my guys that she quit, putting all the blame on me, using me as a scapegoat which really upset me. So we all went to her house yesterday to get our equipment and she told the band that she only works with the best musicians, tro which I said " That's why you're selling out arenas everywhere, huh?" So, we're keeping the band as a 4 piece. We can all sing, so we are not going to audition anyone and we're just going to keep it as it is. Any of you ever have to deal with Divas or difficult band members?

I am familiar with this affliction. It's happened to me on a few occasions.
It is unfortunate in any case and the only cure is to move on. I'm sorry to hear of your setback. And that is what you can call her. A small setback.
But from what you mentioned your band sounds pretty gelled and together.
So it obviously is not a problem.
Don't sweat the small things.-N


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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:11 am
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yes 8)

it sounds like you have discovered your voice, I like that very much, play on Bro and I hope to hear and maybe see your band in the future. :D

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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:37 am
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I hate it when someone has more ego than talent,I don't think that she'll ever find a band to her liking unless she happens upon a group of sycophants who are looking for an autocratic Prima Donna.Not a big chance of that happening.

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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:48 am
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I worked clubs long term with two female vocalist. One was uber cute with a decent voice and the other was classy-hot with a great voice. Material selection was not an issue, since we were looking for the songs that would show each of them in the best light.

There was some minor chafing among the four males in the group since we bought/maintained/set-up all the equipment and the public would see us as supporting staff for the female vocalist. Remember I said "minor chafing", it wasn't that big a deal.

The advantages of having them as vocalist out weighed the disadvantages and I would do it again.


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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:09 pm
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That's why I want to learn to sing. I'm really sick of having to deal with lead singers. Not all of them are bad, but it's just really hard to find a good one.

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In my experience virtually all singers and especially singers who do not play an instrument feel that they are obviously the leaders of the band and are automatically in charge. I can think of only one instance when that was not the case. In that situation there was a single person (bassist) who was the financial and organizational anchor and was the reason for the band's existence in the first place. That person formed the band, was the only common link to any of the other members, and most importantly owned all of the P/A and lighting gear and the cube van and also had an agent who got us good gigs. He called all the shots and was wise enough to drill that fact soundly into both of the singers he had while I was associated with him. Even with all of that there were still conflicts with the first singer which was why there was a second singer.

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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:00 pm
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Had the same thing in Nov' with the singer that got me and the drummer together. He was an absolute control freak, to make matters worse he was completely unprofessional. Anything he didnt like, he sang badly to get it dropped. Everything he wanted to do was just catering to the over 70's. I once made a comment about something sounding bad, he went and orchestrated a whole argument between me and he. In the end I sacked him.

We replaced him with a very nice lady singer, whom I utterly adore. She winds me up, wants to do prog rock, but she wails like a banshee and is a perfect front person. She's taking the band in a direction I never planned on. The drummers happy with her decisions, I'm not happy with all of them but am more than willing to carry on regardless. When she suggests something I dont like, I just try to be professional about it, get on with it and give it a fair go. I'm a very hard task master and the musical side of song arrangment and writing is down to me. I'm outspoken and forthright, if something isnt right I'll make it very known. So not only will I concede leadership to her, I practicaly encourage it.
I just gave her complete control over what goes on the demo were doing soon. Sometimes you have to bend with the wind to keep a good singer. Aslong as the bassist or drummer dont have any problems with song choices, I'll go along happily.

Our drummer tried to reaarange the setlist, right inbetween gigs with no rehearsall inbetween (I believe in rehearsing the whole stageshow). I point blank refused to change. Even threatend to play the original list regardless of what they were doing. Theres a time and place for making changes. 2 days before a gig, over the phone isnt one of them.

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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:23 pm
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I was just mentioning that on the "thou shall not..." post the other day...

One of my best friends is our lead singer in the band. though we don't know much I'm the only one who knows keys, scales, progressions, etc and basically I make the riffs for the songs...

Technically I'm lead, but our lead singer takes all the cool stuff I come up with and gives it to the other guy, then tells me to make up something else over all of the other stuff everyone else is doing. Its a huge jumbled mess.... (he uses the word "arpegiate" a lot, but he doesn't even know what that means) :roll:

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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:43 pm
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jimbo612 wrote:
I was just mentioning that on the "thou shall not..." post the other day...

One of my best friends is our lead singer in the band. though we don't know much I'm the only one who knows keys, scales, progressions, etc and basically I make the riffs for the songs...

Technically I'm lead, but our lead singer takes all the cool stuff I come up with and gives it to the other guy, then tells me to make up something else over all of the other stuff everyone else is doing. Its a huge jumbled mess.... (he uses the word "arpegiate" a lot, but he doesn't even know what that means) :roll:


Sounds like he's trying to force you to come up with more stuff, and wants a guitar driven band.

Annoying I bet, you should have a talk to him, or write stuff that theres no chance of the other guitarist being able to play. :twisted:

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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:34 pm
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This thread sort reminds me of a therapy group. But instead of sharing stories about loosing weight or how we're abused at home, we're talking about lead singers. :lol:

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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:38 pm
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Lead singers know that if a drummer or guitar player is replaced, alot of people will never notice. Replace the lead singer and everyone knows it as soon as the lights come up. In alot of cases they define the band's sound and when you mess with the band's sound you risk losing your fanbase. They know that and some take advantage of it.

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Hello!

I've not been in a band for many years but hangout with many who are. The main issue I have with majority of singers/ front people is that they rarely buy their own equipment. The rest of the band have spent £X amount on their rig (drummers have it the worst) where as a singer (most of the time) can't even be bothered to buy a mic! Also, in my experience, they are usually the first to soak up praise at the bar whilst the rest of the band clear the stage. They just turn up open their mouth and take their cut of the profit.

I have major respect for singers who help out after the gig and make the effort to buy their own gear.

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Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:02 am
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Lead singers CAN be replaced. It worked for Journey to a point. Sometimes... no, it doesn't work. Case in point... I saw the Georgia Satellites in 2006 at Sturgis. Absolutely horrendous. Songs like "Keep Your Hands To Yourself" really need the original lead vocal or they just don't flow the same. It was sad I tell ya. :roll:

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