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Whilst I fully agree with you that battery/factory farming is completely inhumane. Its a neccessity of our dense population. It's not a America only crime either. Look at Huntingdon Life Sciences to see particularly brutal treatment of animals. And these ones get their lives prolonged until they've served their purpose. It's all for nothing more than testing how lotions and makeup affect skin. The relevance of testing medicines on animals has always been highly suspect. Animals simply dont react to medicines like humans do.

Until we can cull our need for cheap meat were going to have battery farming. Look back 1000 years and meat was something nearly exclusive to farmers, poachers and royalty. The population has grown a lot since then so we need more animals to kill and because we've become accustom to meat as the norm we need faster more economical ways of harvesting it.


Myself I'll eat anything. I spent years around anti carnivore vegeterians, the real hardliners. When presented with the statement 'If you had to kill the animal you wouldnt eat it!'. My reply was usualy 'prey you and I are never in the trapped on a mountaintop. I wouldnt even wait for you to stop breathing'.

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It's pretty easy to tell when you have people that never raised and slaughtered their own meat or were not brought up with a tradition of hunting in the family. As an old New Englander... I'm not feeling any regrets when I sit down to a nice pork dinner, or beef, chicken, or turkey either. I like my beef medium rare thank you very much. I love deer... they're delicious.

I guess I'm one of those that don't quite buy into the "all meat eating is evil" schools of thought. As a whole I'm assuming the industry is well regulated. The USDA "does" have to justify it's existence like any good government agency.

So... dead is dead. Once you go into shock, you don't feel much so I'm not buying into the pain and suffering thing either. It takes a good amount of time before things start to throb and hurt after physical damage occurs. Ask me how I know... remember I'm a biker too.

Just my 2¢ worth... YMMV.

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-NTanner, have you read the Omnivore's Dilemma?

Good book , I believe they made it into a movie.

I am an animal lover. I have 2 dogs, a cat, & a horse. I am also a meat eater, but I think its ok to eat meat. But its not ok to treat the animals badly, when an animal is going to be consumed, it should be treated well & comfortable. Its really horriable & cruel the way we treat animals 2day, thats not how God wanted us to treat them. Its ok to consum animals but we need to take care of them also.

Another thing, so many "pets" are mistreated in America. If your going to own a pet, of any kind, you need to be resonsable & take care of it. If you don't have time for a pet (they take up time) don't own one!!

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Tanner I am a devout animal lover but some of these so called animal rights organisations are more intent on sensationalism and playing on peoples sympathies to get rich than they are on the protection of animals. A lot of these pictures-probably all-were taken most likely years ago when animal protection laws weren't so stringent and were probably taken outside the US.They often bring famous people onside and fill them with out of date info and outright lies.I know this first hand as a few years ago one of these groups got Paul McCartney and Heather Mills to our province and filled their heads with outright lies concerning our humane seal hunt and by their mendacious propaganda have essentially destroyed a way of life for thousands of our people.They stated that we kill baby seals and skin them alive which is illegal and has been for decades and that we club them to death which is also a fallacy-95% of them are dispatched with a single shot to the head.They also say the seals are endangered when it is a scientific fact that populations are exploding decimating our once lucrative fishery.The actions of these carpet baggers have brought untold hardship to our province.I support ethical animal rights groups like the Canadian Wildlife federation and an organisation set up to protect wolves but there are some that care more for money than animals.

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Why are you making it exclusively an American problem as usual? WORLD WIDE web here folks.

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because im not used to addresing people all around the world.
sorry bout that. but this probably is a world wide problem.

I would hazard a guess that the US treats meat animals better than most of the world, for reasons of expediency if no other.

As to the treatment of domestic animals, I have three dogs and I wish that all children were treated as well as my dogs. Mistreatment of children...not THERE'S an issue!

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I think the original poster should learn the meaning of KOSHER!!!! Jewish rules prohibit the eating of an animal that has been killed by another or died of natural cause. It must be killed by cutting the throat in a certain location at the trachea and veins and bleed to death. At slaughter houses the person that performs the slaughter is a Rabbi or a pious Jewish person.
A few miles from my home is one of the largest Kosher meat suppliers on the east coast, they have full time Rabbi's there that do this. The other cattle are put down by the use of a bolt. An air gun that drives a bolt like rod into the head as being shot and put down.

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I'm speaking for the British, Irish, Australians, Canadians etc who make up this forum. Too many posts here seem to think the rest of the world doesn't exist. Also thinking America always does it better is very closed minded and in many cases far from the truth. I speak as a proud quarter American who lived there and spends A LOT of time there too. It gets on my goat personally so I tend to point it out.

We all treat animals like 5h1t but thats the food chain.
IMO ripping a pig open to eat it isn't much different from a shark ripping my leg off to do the same. Its choices that are the issue. If we have the ability to kill them more humanely then so be it.

I do love my meat though as I'm sure many of us here do.

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True of course, excepting the fact that the original poster referred to America alone.

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Exactly my point!

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Now I'm getting hungry. I should throw a burger on the grill!


I guess I should apologize as an American... I hope I don't do those things but I'm sure at some time I might so forgive me in advance. I once heard an interview with a fellow from New Zealand and I think he may have hit the nail on the head when he spouted... "Americans are the politest a55h0les you'll ever meet!"

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i had a rare 14 ounce ribeye last night.