dear fellow forum members,
i have have always been an animal lover, for 7 years i have been planning on being a vet. but, today i saw a video that truley hurt me in a way i cannot explain. while browsing a website i saw an ad on the side that said something along the lines of "graphic: why you should be a vegetarian, and what they dont want you to see". naturally like any child when somethings says graphic, danger and etc. we have an instinct to click on it, so i did. then i watched a video that most defenately changed my life. this video is something that changed the way i think of how we define ethics and humane treatment of animals. now i have always been a meat eater, but this video has made me question my ways. i always thought that are slaughter practaces were humane, but i guess i was wrong. in this video they hung a cow up by its feet and slit its throat. in another part of the video they picked up a pig threw it in a machine and the machine dropped the pig out on the other side with its chest split open while it squeeled in agony and bleed to death the living quarters for these animals are horrible and they are abused and mistreated. the video gets more graphic than what i told you but i dont want to get into that.

alot of you might be thinking that this is ok because it is how we have always done it;but, just because it's how we always done something dosn't make it right. the practices for slaughtering animals is horrendous and WRONG. how would you feel if you were hearded around, abused, sick, in pain and crowded only in the end to die in the most painful way possible while you are being mocked by humans and the last thing you see is your guts on the ground while you lay on top of other animals of your same species? i know it seems like i am ranting on about nothing, but to me this is something and i really needed to get it off my chest. so does america need to reconsider their so called "humane" slaughter of animals? or do yall think it should stay the same way because that is how we have always done it.


edit:some of yall might also be thinking there are simple animals this is what they are raised to have happen to them. but, what if one day there is a superior animal to us and they like to dine on humans. how would you feel? you would probably feel the same way as those animals.
thank yall for reading this long post.

-Tanner Newman

if you want to see the video look up "if slaughter houses had glass walls" it is narrated by Paul mcCartney.

please comment, i would like to here yalls thoughts on this matter.

Nevin,
this isn't talking about farmers it is talking about slaughter houses and how unethical they are. i agree with you about how well farmers treat their animals. i got to a school in a place with a lot of farms so every other student there has a farm and they take very good care of their animals. our school even has a farm and i am in an agriculture class that takes care of our own cows and horses and they are given the upmost care. so, the problem is not farms but slaughter houses.

Tanner,

I have seen some videos of slaughter houses that are "humane" and others that are straight up brutal. The meat that comes from the more "humane" slaughter houses does cost a lot more to buy. But in the end whether it is a pig, cow, or chcken the end result is the same. They are going to kill it (slit its throat, cut its head off, or shoot it in the head) and process it (skin/feather it, dismember it, chop it into the cuts we the consumer wants). Being a carnivore/omnivore is a brutal way to survive.

I remember going to my grandmother's house for vaccation one summer and we had authentic fried chicken. I had to catch the thing, cop it's head and lower legs off. Hang it for a few hours and pluck all the feathers out. And what my grandmother did to get organs out, well let's just say I never got on that woman's bad side after that.

I think that if people saw what it actually took to process an animal for consumption, there would be fewer meat lovers in America. Personaly I love meat and would slaughter animals for food if I had too.

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Tanner Newman, stop with the America: is this truly ethical? bs, the worst things we do here aren't even close to eating dogs and house cats and other stuff I'm not interested in. The good things American people do, have done and will always do for the human race are incalculable, remove this great country from the equation and you probably would have people eating people and maybe much worse. just don't do what you know is wrong and teach your children the same, that helps more than anything, actions speak louder than words sometimes.

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I love meat as much as everyone, but sometimes I wish there were more humane methods of slaughter. Of course the methods I have in mind would probably anger Al Gore and his hippie friends.

i dont quite understand what you are saying. i understand that america does great things and i am proud to be american but all i am saying is there is probably a more humane way to slaughter animals and such other than the methods we use. look up the video.

Anger Al Gore?

Please, feel free! I'd pay to watch that tub-o-lard have a heart attack.

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Nevin,
i looked up waht you said about pigs, and your right. they seem to be very intelligent creatures.

you are right, the pork industry does seem to be bad:
http://www.chooseveg.com/pigs.asp

i gotta agree with nevin on this one. while there are some places like that that slaughter animals in unbelievable ways, most are not the same way. for example, when cows are slaughtered in most factories, they are killed humanely by way of an iron spike shot through their head. it is instant and they feel nothing.

small farms are better, and the cows and pigs have space to actually move and get exercise. i do agree though that parts of the industry need to be investigated regularly, to ensure humane slaughter.

-Jake

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i do understand that alot of places slaughter animals in a humane way, which is great! but for everyone that does it humanly its seems like there is another that does not.

sorry if i came off like some vegan maniac, for i am not, i love steak and pork as much as the next guy. but, after seeing some videos it got me concerned and bewildered at how some places are slaughtering.

Tanner- How about going kosher? Different rules, ya know?

Seriously, slaughter houses are cruel places, but how am I supposed to get
protein? Meat is powerful food. I'm torn about this subject. But the animals I love the most are also meat eaters.

I support the ASPCA, and that's the most I can do right now. But Brother,
the cruelty in this world is bad. You're right, it's wrong.

I hope you become a vet. Or, an MD. Or anything where easing suffering is the goal. You're the right kind of man for it. Your parents did a good job.

nevin i agree with you, animals should have medication. they should be treated for there illnesses and health issues.

I will try to explain, some slaughter houses are inhumane, the video you picked probably shows that, not all are, which is what the word 'we' coupled with 'in America' with out qualifying, like, 'some slaughter houses break the law', implies. A better example or expression of concern without a bad spin which insults innocent people would be, 'some slaughtering of animals world wide is inhumane. Here is a video that originated in America that I am certain most Americans don't even know about, because, if this information were more widely known it could hurt sales and perhaps bring about a much needed change in this business'. The video is there, you found it, most people have so much to do that they wouldn't be looking for a reason to be upset (not that you were, I know you just stumbled upon it) just saying some times the words you use and the context you use them in may be inappropriate for the thought you are conveying. I could keep typing but I think you will get what I'm saying.

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These probaganda films usually pick the worst of the worst slaughterhouses and claim that all of the slaughterhouses are the same. Real slaughterhouses try to cause the least amount of stress in the animal, because they know that the adrenaline ruins the taste of the meat, so they trie to slaughter the animal before it picks up any signs of danger. Usually the cows are kept in a fence and taken one by one away from the others so the other don't start getting stressed.

The same goes for us hunters. A good hunter always goes for the sure kill shot, because any good hunter knows that slowly killing an animal is cruel and it ruins the meat. And of course there are some bad apples in the hunting community to.

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