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Post subject: Makes Sense
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:07 pm
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goranm,

thanks for taking the initiative and the time to set this up - a must-have on any guitar-playing-related site. I look forward to checking it out more thoroughly in the near future.

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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:19 pm
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findaguitarteacher wrote:
goranm,

thanks for taking the initiative and the time to set this up - a must-have on any guitar-playing-related site. I look forward to checking it out more thoroughly in the near future.


Well, somebody had to do it!
I like your site! Thank you! It needs to be done! We can make it easier for players out there that didn't or couldn't afford to learn this! Don't know what else to say. Thank you!

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Amen! Thanks for your kind words about our site.

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Post subject: thanks keep it up
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Great i dont feel like i am the only one who doesnt get it !!


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Goranm,
Awesome thread mate!! You have in these few lessons made sink in what took my Music Theory professor 4 years to barely stick. I need to know are you a teacher?? I am so understanding this. It might be my age now...LOL but I prefer to think that it is just your superb method! If ever you are in my neck of the woods in the States you have a place to crash and drinks are on me!
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majjackdog wrote:
Great i dont feel like i am the only one who doesnt get it !!


Hi majjackdog! What is it really that you don't get? Maybe I could post some more examples or something like that.

Please, if any of you have suggestions or objections, let me know. So, that I can make some changes if it can help you understand better.

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...I prefer to think that it is just your superb method! If ever you are in my neck of the woods in the States you have a place to crash and drinks are on me!
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Hmm! My "superb method"! I like how it sounds! But I'm afraid I don't have a method! I'm just chatting about it. You know, as if we were all in the same room and we're learning from each other. So, this is what I have to offer you to learn. It's that simple. Hey, maybe that's the method right there! Don't know.

airbornestrat wrote:
You have in these few lessons made sink in what took my Music Theory professor 4 years to barely stick. I need to know are you a teacher??


A teacher?! No, not officially! I have been teaching music lately though. You know, just me and a couple of friends. And occasionally somebody new. But, I quit music school because of teachers and went on to study something else. It was way too slow for me! Music is fairly easy for me for some reason, and I didn't want to lose time on something I already knew. Something like that. What can I tell you, I'm a complicated man. :D 8)
I guess you had some similar teachers from what I understand. Slow ones.
It takes a couple of months to learn this basic stuff, not years as they say and teach. So... here we are!

PS I may take your word for that drink if I ever come to the States.

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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:46 am
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Last time we jammed together, we learned to create minor chords and to play natural minor scales. This time we’ll talk about one other mode of diatonic minor scales.

HARMONIC MINOR SCALES

Harmonic minor scales are almost completely the same as natural minor scales, except for one little change! In natural minor scales, if any of you noticed, you play minor seventh (in C minor – Bb note), but in harmonic minor you play the major seventh (in C minor – B note), which replaces the minor seventh. Just half a note difference really. And that’s all about this, harmonic mode of minor diatonic scales. Another simple and logical thing? It is, but I’m afraid it will take some time for you to get used to using different modes of minor scales in your playing. I am quite used to and comfortable in using all three modes at the same time. Well, not literally at the same time, but in one song or composition. I may start by using natural minor and then make that half a note change from minor seventh to major seventh and thus be playing harmonic minor instead of natural. Or going upwards in one mode and backwards (and through octaves) in another (that’s what you’ll be able to do when we’re done here). It all depends on chord progression of the composition, or intervals being used. It’s logical, as I have stated a couple of times earlier, that if you’re playing, say, in Am that you’ll use natural minor because it is so natural with the chord, nothing stands out, it’s kind of nicely packed together.
Like “Shine on you crazy diamond” of Pink Floyd, in Gm and natural Gm scale played over the chord. It sounds so beautiful, doesn’t it. But, if you changed that chord to GmM7 (G minor major seven, I think there is GmM7 in “Shine on”. Can’t remember, haven’t played it quite a while), you need to make the same change in the scale because you have already changed the minor seventh to major seventh in the chord, and thus you get harmonic minor scale. You see, pure logic! And fun too. It sounds hard, but it really isn’t. You’ll get used to it. If this means anything to you, in terms of inspiration, Ritchie Blackmore and Yngwie Malmsteen use harmonic minor scales all the time. That’s why it sounds so exotic sometimes, because they play it over basic chords, not changing anything in the chord, but they make that change for half a note from minor seventh in the scale to the major seventh in the scale (don’t confuse minor and major thirds, which make the chord minor or major, with major and minor sevenths that you just add to the chords that already have the certain third in them. Unless it’s a sus chord. I hope you understand). And it sounds…well, nice. So you can play with that. But, I am not so sure it would sound so good to you if you did it the other way around, making the minor chord major 7 (M7), and playing natural minor scale with minor seventh in it over that major seventh chord. But, you might love it. Who knows!

Example: Harmonic C minor scale

C whole note space D half a note space D# whole note space F whole note space G half a note space G# ONE AND A HALF NOTE SPACE B half a note space C

On guitar:

Third fret A string (C note), fifth fret A string (D note), sixth fret A string (D# note), third fret D string (F note), fifth fret D string (G note), sixth fret D string (G# note), fourth fret G string (B note), fifth fret G string (C note)

That’s all for today, a short one, but really a practice consuming post. Next time, yet another mode of minor diatonic scales (the last one). Then intervals again. Really fun ones.

To be continued…

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Brad please stick this!!

Thank you,

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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:33 am
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Hey, my thread sunk down again. I don't like it! So, I'm bumping my own thread shamelessly!
I guess you don't like minor chords and scales. Just kidding! I've been busy, but tomorrow we'll have another friendly discussion about my cup of tea!

Cheers!

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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:48 pm
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most excellent work, in my humble attempt to add to this, I find the circle of fifths very useful in finding major and minor chords that work together, wikipedia has the layout. ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths )

for blues, just change the majors to major 7ths, pick three adjacent chords on the circle and go to town. Use e string and a string barre chords and it is so easy even I can do it, not well, but getting better.

I hope I'm not jumping ahead or hijacking.


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Another bump for you. Just wanted to tell you that this is an awesome idea.
I have all this knowledge on papers and books all over the place it is nice to keep it in one thread. Keep up the good work.


PS. A sad na nasem. Super ti je ovo, odlicna ideja. Ako nemas nista protiv da stavim i ja nesto sto je vazano sa tvojom temom.

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inbalance99 wrote:
most excellent work, in my humble attempt to add to this, I find the circle of fifths very useful in finding major and minor chords that work together, wikipedia has the layout.

for blues, just change the majors to major 7ths, pick three adjacent chords on the circle and go to town. Use e string and a string barre chords and it is so easy even I can do it, not well, but getting better.

I hope I'm not jumping ahead or hijacking.


Thank you very much inbalance99 my friend! Please do "attempt to add to this"! You did come in with the circle of fifths (and fourths) a bit earlier than "scheduled", but by any means I am not going to use it against you.
Because, that approach to the circle of fifths you have just mentioned I was not familiar with. Now you see what I mean by "mutual learning" on this thread?! I like this. Please add some more!!!

Let's make a deal with all of you there that use this thread in any possible way! Let me, kind of, lead this through and do what I want to do, the way I want it, and the way I know how to do it. And then, if any of you have any other and different aspect(s) of the matter being discussed, please (!!!)post it! But, please, do not go ahead of me. Because of only one reason - I don't want to make a confusion!!! We don't want a situation here where we don't know whom to trust, or whose approach or opinion to use on this.
You know what I mean?!

So, please feel free to add, or try and explain in some other way this. But, only what we have talked about so far! Do not go ahead!

Honestly, inbalance99, my friend, you did jump ahead a bit, but you obviously use and understand the circle of fifths in a different way than I do, so you are very much forgiven! You will make our friends think about it now, I thank you for that. So, as I see it, when the time comes, I'll talk about it in my own words, and thus make a "bridge" to blend our approaches and methods. And it kind of makes me satisfied! That's what I wanted to do here in the first place. Just let me lead it all the way, and we'll make this forum the most educated music forum on the internet! If only Brad would agree already!

So, all of you who know this and want to participate and share that knowledge right here, right now, and free of charge, for our forum friends who might use it and make the best of it, please do!!!
But, now the time has come to make a concept and a schedule.
Sooo, if you are interested in doing this the right way and without any confusion or misunderstandings, please e-mail me so that we can make mutual agreement on this and make some sort of "contents list".

THIS IS AN OPEN INVITATION to music teachers, music lovers, music players, music students... to e-mail me in order to make this work!
We don't want to make this thread boring and make deals and agreements here, do we!

I hope you understand what I want to make and do here. Hope there are at least a couple of friends willing to do this. Let's show what Fender (and Squier, Charvel, Gretch...) players can do!

I really believe this can work!

Thanks inbalance99! I've been thinking about how to invite others to contribute if they want to. Now, it's been done!
Thanks!

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Another bump for you. Just wanted to tell you that this is an awesome idea.
I have all this knowledge on papers and books all over the place it is nice to keep it in one thread. Keep up the good work.


PS. A sad na nasem. Super ti je ovo, odlicna ideja. Ako nemas nista protiv da stavim i ja nesto sto je vazano sa tvojom temom.

Poz

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Hvala Dani(j)el! Samo ti stavi sto mislis da ce se uklopiti i pomoci. Procitaj moju prethodnu poruku, pa ako odgovara, lako cemo se dogovoriti.

PS Drago mi je da ima nasih ovde. Iako smo svi ovde "nasi"!

Pozdrav

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Bump for more!

I'm sure I speak for many here in saying thanks for putting this together, I am actually learning things!

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Please stick this thread!! It is awesome! Thanks,
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