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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:23 pm
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Biff725 wrote:
Thanx For Posting Goranm. I'm New To The Guitar And The Help Is Appreciated. What Is A Easy To Understand Starter Theory Book ? Thanx.


No problem Biff.
I really wish I knew what "Easy To Understand Starter Theory Book" is! I've never heard of it before. Perhaps it's something like this thread, somebody put it all in their own words and interpreted it to the best of their abilities. That's what I've been trying to do.

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Music Theory.

Music conspiricy theory.

Music theology.

Musicology.

Fact or Fiction?


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Music Theory.

Music conspiricy theory.

Music theology.

Musicology.

Fact or Fiction?


"Music conspiracy theory".

I like that! :D

Not sure what it stands for, but I like it! Maybe it's about musicians trying to change the world with music!? 8)

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Thirds?

eg Blackbird - The Beatles

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Thirds?

eg Blackbird - The Beatles

thanks


I am sorry inbalance. I don't understand your post. Is that a question about music theory? Or...What about the thirds? And the Beatles? I am not familiar with the song.

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in music theory at the moment we are learning about intervals and how to figure a key signature out. im understanding it, its just taken some time

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Goranm wrote:
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Thirds?

eg Blackbird - The Beatles

thanks


I am sorry inbalance. I don't understand your post. Is that a question about music theory? Or...What about the thirds? And the Beatles? I am not familiar with the song.


Never heard Blackbird?

Here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDxfjUEBT9I

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Goranm, Thanks for starting this thread. A lot of good information being shared here. :)

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I came across the term 'thirds' in an Arlen Roth lesson on Blackbird and I thought it might be a common musical term.

I looked it up on wikipedia and came across "ladder of thirds".

I believe Arlen was simply referring to I, IV, V, minor pentatonic.


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inbalance99 wrote:
I came across the term 'thirds' in an Arlen Roth lesson on Blackbird and I thought it might be a common musical term.

I looked it up on wikipedia and came across "ladder of thirds".

I believe Arlen was simply referring to I, IV, V, minor pentatonic.


Maybe you are looking for this:
page 3 from this thread:

A lot of musicians don’t know the difference between major and minor scales. And, I am pretty sure, you will be surprised how easy it is.


THE THIRDS


Of course, the third note of the scales and chords. We had been focused on major chords and scales (if need be, read that again so that you could follow this), and it was for a reason. You don’t need to learn everything at once, and you don’t need to learn everything simply by remembering! Because you can come to this by only being logical. And with a bit of sweating too. Hey, it’s good to sweat a little. Nature!

Major thirds make major chords. The name says it all, doesn’t it?! Yes, it means that all the thirds you have come across so far in every major chord you can play, is the major third of the scale!
So, what is the minor third?! The minor third is half a step/note below the major third.
So, you need to know what major third is in order to get the minor third. It’s the easier way. That’s why I kept you on major chords so far, and tried to explain intervals and other possibilities and combinations through major chords and scales. I didn’t want to play smart and mix major and minor. That wouldn’t bring nothing more but confusion.

You now know that you can make minor chords and scales from the major ones, and that you can do it by simply lowering the major third for half a step.

Example: C major – as we all know, the third in C major is an E. You want to make C minor chord, and you’ll do it simply by lowering that E for half a note, so you’ll get D#/Eb. Simple? Just like lowering and raising (sharpening and diminishing) the fifths.
The same pattern.

So, after lowering that major third and making it a minor third (in any chord), in our example on C major, C minor will have these notes: C D# G. You see, the root and the fifth remain the same, but you lower the third.

DO NOT LOWER THE MINOR THIRD!!! It will get you to another chord, not the one you wanted! APLLY THIS ONLY ON MAJOR CHORDS!!! So, make your minor chords from major chords using this pattern.

Another example: G major notes: G B D
G minor notes: G Bb D

The third B in major chord lowered half a step to Bb.

Now, of course, you can play with it and add intervals. But, there is one more interesting mode in minor chords!

THE DIMINISHED CHORDS!

In order to get the DIMinished chords (written Cdim, Ddim, Adim…) you need to know the following: the third in DIM chords MUST be minor third and the fifth MUST be diminished half a step too. And that’s almost all about the DIM chords!
Let’s repeat: DIM chords are made by playing simple minor chords and just lowering the fifth!!! And it’s a DIM chord!

Example: Steps to making DIM chords
C major: C E G
C minor: C D# G
C dim: C D# F#

Again, you take a minor chord and diminish its fifth for half a step! That’s all!

But, there is one little thing! You can add the sixth to the DIM chord and it will sound great! Natural! Full! The seventh may not sound so good. Again, it all depends on your ear and what you like.

Try it all! Don’t be shy! And don’t be shy to ask anything!


MINOR SCALES


A couple of posts ago, I explained how you build major scales, the spaces between the notes. Let me refresh your memory!

C major:

Major diatonic scales are built like this:
the root of the scale
C
Whole note space between the root and the second note of the scale, so it’s a
D
Again whole note space between the second and the third note, so it’s an
E
But, now the space between the third and the fourth note of the major scale is only half a note, so it’s an
F
Because space between E and F is half a note, regardless of the lack of sharp (#) or diminished (b) symbol.

The space between the fourth and the fifth note is again the whole note, which is a
G
The space between the fifth and the sixth note is the whole note, and is an
A
The space between the sixth and seventh note is the whole note, and is a
B
And between the seventh and the last eighth, which is too the beginning of the new, higher octave is again
C

So, we get something like this:
C whole note space D whole note space E half a note space F whole note space G whole note space A whole note space B half a note space C
(Marked red not to confuse you with the minor scales I am about to explain)

Remember that!? You better be! You’ll need it! But, don’t let me afraid you, you’ll understand!

OK! Minor scales! Example of course on C minor!

C
The space between the root and the second in minor scales is just like in major scales, whole note, and you get a
D
Now, the space between the second and the third is different, and it represents that diminished/lowered third, and is half a note, so it’s a
D#/Eb (the same note, differently written – enharmonic)
The space between the minor third and the fourth is again one whole note, and that’s an
F
The space between the fourth and the fifth is one whole note too, and the fifth of course is a
G
But, between the fifth and the sixth is half a note, and you get a
G#/Ab
Between the sixth and the seventh the space is one whole note/step
Bb
And between the seventh and the eighth (the root again) is one whole step too
C

C whole note space D half a note space D# whole note space F whole note space G half a note space G# whole note space Bb whole note space C

So, on guitar, again starting from C note on the third fret, you now play this C minor scale like this:

Third fret A string (C note), Fifth fret A string (D note), sixth fret A string (D# note), third fret D string (F note), fifth fret D string (G note), sixth fret D string (G# note), third fret G string (Bb note), fifth fret G string (C note)

See the difference between major and minor scales? Of course, now you can do the same thing you did with major scales. Move it along the neck, hold the pattern! But, watch out for notes! You need to know what notes you’re playing, because the pattern and position of the fingers for the given scale is not the same all over the neck.

Ok! That minor scale we have just completed is just one mode of minor diatonic scales. There are two more modes of minor scales, but we won’t rush it. You need to learn this first. This one is called NATURAL MINOR SCALE! Remember that!

Oh, of course, if you change anything in minor chords (the fifth, add major seventh etc), just like in major scales, you must make the same change in the scale!

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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:30 am
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There you go, I knew there was a simple explanation. :D

Thanks a lot, I'll print this off and go over it.....probably a few times.

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There you go, I knew there was a simple explanation. :D

Thanks a lot, I'll print this off and go over it.....probably a few times.

Regards, Paul


No problem Paul! If any questions, don't hesitate to ask.

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Goranm wrote:
We have guitar building threads, photography threads, and different open discussion threads, a lot of new stuff coming our way here, so I believe we need a "Music theory" thread!
Kind of like FREE on line music course. A friendly one. There are a lot of new players (and some older ones alike) out there that may have some questions about technique or playing or music in general. And knowing how music teachers can be boring and REALLY REALLY SLOW with sharing their knowledge with others, I have decided to give this a try!
"...Money, get away..." (you all know where that came from) is my motto on this, and I think music knowledge should be free. Only the most talented ones get to understand it usually, so I want to try to help those talents get the best of it. I always get lots of questions like "how to play E9 chord" or "what does it mean when the chord is major or minor", and so forth. Not being from English speaking country, I'll try to be understood, and keep it as simple as possible. And free of charge!
Actually, our forum friend Infa Red reminded me the other day of the lack of this kind of "information". So, thank you Infa!
Well, I hope Brad will allow this to live. 'Cause I don't know whom to pay for the copyright on the knowledge. So, please Brad, don't shut this down!


OK! We'll start with the relation of the notes and chords. I want to show you an easy way of building chords, IN ANY TUNING you might choose! With no need of remembering and memorizing any chord position(s)!
I want you to be able to know how to play every chord from your head. I read somewhere awhile ago that there are around 4.500 chords! Well, I don't know that, but I know I know them all! And so will you.
I'll try to avoid complicated terms, and keep it simple.

For those that have survived reading through here, let's begin:

Every chord constitutes of at least three notes (there are exceptions, but about it later). Those three notes are: root of the chord (the note by which the chord gets its name), the third (major or minor) and the fifth (augmented or diminished). What "the third", "the fifth" and so on mean is that it represents the place of the note in the given scale. In music it is called an "interval". So, "the third" means that the note we are talking about is the third one in the scale, going from the first note (by which the scale or the chord is named after) upwards. Let's take the C major scale as an example.

C major: C D E F G A B C

If you play those notes on any instrument, any instrument at all, it will always be C major scale. Now, let's say that you want to play a C major chord on, to you, a new instrument. The one that you have never played before. Knowing that for a simple, basic, C chord you need the root, the third and the fifth note of the C major scale, you now know that the notes you want and need are: C - the root (thus C chord), E - the third note from the root C, and G - the fifth note from the root C. Now, all you need to do is find those notes on that new instrument and you got yourself a beautiful C chord. Sounds simple?! It's not! But it is rather interesting!
If you are self taught, and used only to memorizing chord positions and don't know what notes are on fretboard, you got yourself in a big trouble. But, don't worry! Yeah, be happy! Because, I will help you with that as well!
I assume most of you reading this are guitarists, so I'll concentrate on guitar. Guitar is a chromatic instrument, roughly meaning that all notes are mixed together, right next to each other, not divided like on piano (black keys - sharpened notes).
If your guitar is tuned E A D G B E, then every next fret gets you the note next to the the note played on an open string. If you play, say, open low E note, the first fret will give you an F, the second F#, the third G, and so on.
The same applies to all strings.
A, A# (or Bb), B etc.
There are only twelve notes on this earth, and they are:
C, C# (or Db), D, D# (Eb), E, F, F# (or Gb), G, G# (or Ab), A, A# (or Bb), B, and all over again! The symbols in the brackets mean, in a way, the alternate name of the chord. It is called enharmonic. It means that the notes (or chords) sound the same, but are written differently. Like C# which is exactly the same note as Db. There are also enharmonic chords, like C# major and Db major. That happens with sharpened or diminished notes (or chords).

Alright, enough for today! Just something to get you started! Next time I’ll write about the thirds, the fifths, the sevenths…intervals in general. And scales of course! Shall try to make it more simple and easier to understand.

I promise an easy way of finding and creating sevenths, nineths, and other “taboo” or “jazz” chords! Patience please!
I hope some of you may find this useful. If you have any questions at all, I am happy to answer. Or here or via e-mail.

I thank those who survived this reading!

Cheers!

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Goranm wrote:
We have guitar building threads, photography threads, and different open discussion threads, a lot of new stuff coming our way here, so I believe we need a "Music theory" thread!
Kind of like FREE on line music course. A friendly one. There are a lot of new players (and some older ones alike) out there that may have some questions about technique or playing or music in general. And knowing how music teachers can be boring and REALLY REALLY SLOW with sharing their knowledge with others, I have decided to give this a try!
"...Money, get away..." (you all know where that came from) is my motto on this, and I think music knowledge should be free. Only the most talented ones get to understand it usually, so I want to try to help those talents get the best of it. I always get lots of questions like "how to play E9 chord" or "what does it mean when the chord is major or minor", and so forth. Not being from English speaking country, I'll try to be understood, and keep it as simple as possible. And free of charge!
Actually, our forum friend Infa Red reminded me the other day of the lack of this kind of "information". So, thank you Infa!
Well, I hope Brad will allow this to live. 'Cause I don't know whom to pay for the copyright on the knowledge. So, please Brad, don't shut this down!


OK! We'll start with the relation of the notes and chords. I want to show you an easy way of building chords, IN ANY TUNING you might choose! With no need of remembering and memorizing any chord position(s)!
I want you to be able to know how to play every chord from your head. I read somewhere awhile ago that there are around 4.500 chords! Well, I don't know that, but I know I know them all! And so will you.
I'll try to avoid complicated terms, and keep it simple.

For those that have survived reading through here, let's begin:

Every chord constitutes of at least three notes (there are exceptions, but about it later). Those three notes are: root of the chord (the note by which the chord gets its name), the third (major or minor) and the fifth (augmented or diminished). What "the third", "the fifth" and so on mean is that it represents the place of the note in the given scale. In music it is called an "interval". So, "the third" means that the note we are talking about is the third one in the scale, going from the first note (by which the scale or the chord is named after) upwards. Let's take the C major scale as an example.

C major: C D E F G A B C

If you play those notes on any instrument, any instrument at all, it will always be C major scale. Now, let's say that you want to play a C major chord on, to you, a new instrument. The one that you have never played before. Knowing that for a simple, basic, C chord you need the root, the third and the fifth note of the C major scale, you now know that the notes you want and need are: C - the root (thus C chord), E - the third note from the root C, and G - the fifth note from the root C. Now, all you need to do is find those notes on that new instrument and you got yourself a beautiful C chord. Sounds simple?! It's not! But it is rather interesting!
If you are self taught, and used only to memorizing chord positions and don't know what notes are on fretboard, you got yourself in a big trouble. But, don't worry! Yeah, be happy! Because, I will help you with that as well!
I assume most of you reading this are guitarists, so I'll concentrate on guitar. Guitar is a chromatic instrument, roughly meaning that all notes are mixed together, right next to each other, not divided like on piano (black keys - sharpened notes).
If your guitar is tuned E A D G B E, then every next fret gets you the note next to the the note played on an open string. If you play, say, open low E note, the first fret will give you an F, the second F#, the third G, and so on.
The same applies to all strings.
A, A# (or Bb), B etc.
There are only twelve notes on this earth, and they are:
C, C# (or Db), D, D# (Eb), E, F, F# (or Gb), G, G# (or Ab), A, A# (or Bb), B, and all over again! The symbols in the brackets mean, in a way, the alternate name of the chord. It is called enharmonic. It means that the notes (or chords) sound the same, but are written differently. Like C# which is exactly the same note as Db. There are also enharmonic chords, like C# major and Db major. That happens with sharpened or diminished notes (or chords).

Alright, enough for today! Just something to get you started! Next time I’ll write about the thirds, the fifths, the sevenths…intervals in general. And scales of course! Shall try to make it more simple and easier to understand.

I promise an easy way of finding and creating sevenths, nineths, and other “taboo” or “jazz” chords! Patience please!
I hope some of you may find this useful. If you have any questions at all, I am happy to answer. Or here or via e-mail.

I thank those who survived this reading!

Cheers!

Goran

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Thanks a 100000000. This is exactly what everyone, at least me, wants. so much good can come from this. And no strings? thanks again Goranm.
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