You are right JPD our problem is not legal gun owners, its the people that use and sell drugs. The three and four generations of families raised in and a round the drug culture. the City of Baltimore will have over 1000 shooting calls this year and over 300+ murder most of which will be by guns. Most of these are tied to drugs and you can bet 99.9% will be by illegal owned firearms. Our officials do nothing but pass laws that make it harder for the person who obeys the law to own a firearm for protection, no firearm laws effect arms owned by criminals. Do they not know the meaning of the word CRIMINAL!!!!

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The last two murders that have happened in our little city here have been the result of knife attacks. One was a friend of mine. I don't buy the "no guns - no crime" claims. I call "BS" on that one.

We can get the results of studies to show anything we so choose. I put little faith in studies. Some people do studies because... frankly, if they didn't, they would have to find real work.

Did you know that most of those are European companies.

Glock (one of the most common pistols here) made in Austria shipped around the world.

Sig/Sauer sells tons of handguns and "assault rifles" worldwide and very popular here as well is a Swiss/German company.

Berretta makes all the handguns for all branches of the US mililtary is in Italy. These are in service worldwide and in action now.

HK sells "assault rifles and pistols" all over the world to anybody with the cash from Germany.

FN Herstal makes the machine guns for the US military in service seeing action worldwide and they are in Belgium.

Steyr Manlicher in Austria manufactures "assault rifles, sniper rifles and handguns and ships thousands and they are one of the oldest manufacturers in the world. Last year they even got busted for selling high end sniper rifles to Iran.

In addition there are tons and tons of Countries like Bulgaria and poland that are selling AK-47's to combatants on both sides of nasty conflicts in Africa and the middle east at an alarming rate a very cheap price perfect for terrorists and dictators alike.

I dont even want to think about how many guns the russians and chinese are pumping out that end up in the hand s of child soldiers spread out all over the African continent. Which us a sickening tragedy but as long as they get paid they dont care.

Most of our ammmo we get as surplus from overseas. I have cases of .556 here marked Radway Green UK. I have cases of 7.62 that is marked ADF (Australian defense force), tons from malaysia and russia too.

There are very few firearms manufacturers made here for us "cowboys" to go shoot paper targets in the desert on the weekend. They are imported from Europe 80% of the time and it is big buisness for these guys and its been happening since the end of world war II.
Just thought it was wierd. Maybe shutting sown these companies would take a big bite out of guns around the world

I guess my point is it is a global issue. The people in your neighborhood may not be carrying them but somewhere they is a factory building and shipping thousands to some impoverished place for a cheap price with the intention of causing carnage and mayhem for proffit.

In no way is it 'no guns - no crime', what some peoples views are 'no guns - no GUN crime' bro. My home city of Glasgow, Scotland has the worst knife problem in Britain to the point its a nightmare in certain areas of the city.

Also 'studies' are the basis of EVERYTHING. Medicine, law etc. If we didn't study we'd still be living in caves and debating 'club crime'.

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Every study in every single state that has allowed concealed carry permits to citizens that have trained and past a tes have seen a dramatic drop violent crime in every single case. Do a google for ccw states results or someting and you will see the crime rate prior and after.Seriously the criminals have to think twice befofre accosting that old lady she may just have a .45 in her purse

you are absolutly right. thats very scary.

do you the worst thing about america, and i dont mean this personaly to you, is that no matter what. america is always the good guy. white caucasian means good guy, cowboys and indians. cowboy films are always made that the native americans are the baddys. that is so far from the truth. the usa has bombed more countrys than any other. killed and maimed more than any nation. corparate america has devistated communitys all around the globe.. and i really hate to say it but that is how the world view america. the thought of every one armed in my community would scare the $@!& out of me. but its very normal for you. and i find that very sad.

i live in the uk. and i pay my taxes. and im so ashamed that most of the tax i pay and the rest of the tax payers goes straight into building of firearms. it sickens me to my stomach. for wars and conflict no one wants. the uk are just as bad. but guns are few and far between here. people dont associate them with normal life. as a result gun crime is very low. its not rocket science. less guns less death. its simple.





aslong as theres a demand for somthing it will ALWAYS be supplyd.
europe, americas, asia, russia, mars, where ever, it doesnt matter where they are made. aslong as they are being made and people continue to believe that guns are accetable in a community, we will always be royaly fxxcked up.

Gun laws are in place for certain individuals only...the law abiding citizen. I have not yet heard of a licensed gun owner holding up a store, bank, or breaking into someones home. If everyone had one crime would drop, its a proven fact.

Louis,
Believe it or not most of us are against the things that cause suffering around the world. I hope you dont think the average person is happy about that stuff. But again if there is money to be made the powers that be will find a reason or an excuse and its going to happen if they can make a few bucks. We are just over a couple hundred years old though. The last thousand years is full of abuses all over the planet by the British too. It wasnt until until the last century they started to let the people in their empire live there own lives. Hell we had to kick them out of here becuase they were so abusive and that is the very reason we made sure we would always have the right to have arms because the British denied us that roight but allowed it for their citizens. Much like the British did in India. Just look at the history of Aisa,Afreica and even Ireland and Scottland. But nobody thinks that people in the UK are for that. Where I live in Arizona there are lot of Indians I am friends with them and work with them daily and they are not the bad guys at all. That is just in the old western movies.
I think this quote from Mahatma Gandhi is a good one,
-'Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.'
And he was a total pacifist. (like me)

turrican... Native Americans were the most abused people and still are.
After loosing their country to Europeans and being forced to live on reservations they still have to fight for whatever rights they have. Its sad and they don`t even have a representitive in government to help them.

Oh I totally agree. They have been so screwed over it is very sad. I have reservations all around me I see it first hand. I was just saying they arent the bad guys. They are just like everyone else trying to get by in this world. I work with guys from a couple different tribes and my sons have some friends at school that are native Americans. Racism has hurt a lot of people over the years in this country.

I recently bought a 3 DVD set called The Great Indian Wars and it addresses the abuses and injustices heaped on native North Americans.It is horrendous the promiises broken and the massacres like Sand Creek and the Minnesota massacre.I don't think that anyone with a heart could watch without feeling disgust and shame for it was our forbears that commited these atrocities.This collection is distributed by BCI Eclipse Co.and the website is www. bcieclipse.com and I strongly reccomend it.
There is also an excellent book put out by National Geographic,I don't know if it is available by single copy as I received it through a subscription to the N.G.S. book series it's called Trail To Wounded Knee by Herman J. Viola.The ISBN is 0-7922-2632-1 for the regular edition and
0-7922-2727-1 for the deluxe edition.This book is a real eye opener and a must read for anyone remotely interested in the rich and painful history of our native brothers.Marty Stuart is doing a lot to bring the plight of the indigenous peoples,bless him,and has been adopted by a tribe that he visits and supports regularly.The time for righting the wrongs perpetrated on other peoples is long overdue.

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Just a tidbit for those who were raising concern over the plight of the Native Americans in this thread.

I didn't want to go on about casinos, wealth, and the sovereign nations not paying taxes and all that... but this story kinda does it for me. I was a little miffed when I saw it. I know two wrongs do not make a right. Just thought I'd share.

http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1420217.shtml?cat=1