+1 Especially on the noiseless p/ups.

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Man, thanks so much for the suggestions and the detailed help from each of you guys. So it looks like a Strat it is. Seems just like the overwhelming suggested guitar. I will now be going over this with my colleagues and musician friends along with session guitarist partners to finalize this decision. I also will be testing a few out at my local music store.


NikiNinja, dude, thanks so much for breaking it down. You answered me perfectly. I appreciate the time it took to post this. It really helps man !!


This is also a good idea. But like I said, its not like I just have 3k burning a hole in my pocket and I need to spend it. What I was saying earlier was I could spend it if I found the super collectors item guitar, or if I had to, etc... but I would rather not. LOL - I'm sure you get it. Thats why I mentioned it like "I would like to keep it under 3k".

BUT, at the same time, you do got a good idea !! Hmmmm.. I will be thinking about that.



I am not sure I follow you on this post ? lol - From what I gather you asked if I was a "professional" ? Well like I said, yes I am a professional in the music industry. I just am no professional in the guitar world. I have been solely providing for myself via music for the last 10 years from production, songwriting, engineering, and owning a Record Label and with it a professional high end recording facility.

You can google "Infa Red" and "Roulette Records" and scroll through the various off topic crap to eventually find my accomplishments over time.
Nothing that big, but bottom line is I support myself and have been for years. No need to work for anyone but myself.



Not sure if I follow this one either ? lol sorry, but it seriously has lost me.



Is this about me ? Or Solid Body Love Songs ? I don't understand either.

Ha, last 3 posts have been strange. Sorry, just trying to clear the air in this thread.




Ahhh, finally a post I understand.. lol -- Thanks for chiming in sfmelo1980. Hey you from San Francisco ? If so, me too !!

Anyway, yea, I've been pondering the 2 guitar thing, but as described above to others, its also not like I just need to spend 3k. But it is being pondered now cause 2 guitars is a good idea. But at the same time I can always get another one later, and for now concentrate on one and a good amp, strings, pick ups, case and whatever else I may need. That cold drive up the cost quite a bit.

As far as the Les Paul, I was told by another guitarist friend professional to not get one for this purchase. Mainly cause this purchase will couple as my "learning guitar", and he said they are real heavy and basically hard to learn on. IDK.

hey Infa Red
No not from San Fran area, born and raised in Toronto.
Good luck on your purchases and be sure to let us know what you end up getting.
With respect to LP being too heavy I can see that point, plus they are really expensive. If you are looking for that humbucker sound with a lighter LP feel I would suggest a Godin, maybe a LG or LGX. I have a LGX-T which I love and totally gives me the LP feel with a much better price tag and lighter on the shoulders

Is this about me ? Or Solid Body Love Songs ? I don't understand either.

Ha, last 3 posts have been strange. Sorry, just trying to clear the air in this thread.



"" No need to work for anyone but myself." ?"

got any more questions? no I'm sorry everybody works for professionals for free that s what I forgot, ask away.

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you can save the world with your guitar one love song at a time it's just better, more fun, easier with a fender solid body electric guitar or electric bass guitar.

Not meaning to cause any offence or confusion. I'll gladly explain what I meant.

SBLS is my abbreviation for user SolidBodyLoveSongs forum name.

The craick (pronounced crack) is an irish term for having a good laugh particularly with friends. When the craick is fierce your really enjoying yourself and probably not getting much work done. I suspected solidbodylovesongs would have heard it before as he has a few irish friends.

So what's the going rate these days, studio and engineer?

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Ok, my bad, lol - I saw the SFMelo in your name, I thought it might stand for a San Francisco.

Hey thanks for the good advice. As us gear freaks know, this is the fun part really, buying stuff !! Wuuu Huuu.

Just as a curiosity, are Gibson Les Pauls really that good ? I mean, what is their tone mainly like ? Or what are they famous for ? I guess if they actually sound that much better than a Fender (for my taste of music) then I could just "man up" and learn on one of those.




Mr. Solid, I am sorry if I offended you somehow in any way. I am just a guy asking some advice on a forum, then you barged in with nothing but some weird, odd, negative posts that had nothing to do with the thread topic, but more to do with expecting pay or compensation for any help (lol). If it was too much for anyone to help me I would hope that they just wouldn't bother posting. I do not expect any help from anyone, but I ask with courtesy, and hopefully some people got the time to advise me. If not, I am not all butt hurt about it.

For years I have seriously helped alot of people (professionals and non-professionals) on forums and even with studio visits ! I am a good source to talk to about studio gear/equipment (Pro Tools, AD/DA Converters, PreAmps, all outboard gear tube and solid state, monitors, computers, room acoustic treatment, Mics, keyboards, etc...). I have vast experience and knowledge in that and get approached daily with questions via in person and on forums, and I answer everyone with as much attention to the people not paying me as to the ones that are. Especially on forums, I am always willing to help.

So I just figured this was a good place to start with my beginner questions on Guitars. And everyone has been more than helpful and my questions have been answered. I am happy, thread is done. But over all this I can't understand your grumpy attitude toward me ? I have done nothing to spark it. If you didn't like my cause of my name, or my thread or the way I type, whatever, why wouldn't you just ignore me and this thread ?

I am just a dude with a dream and a goal trying to learn something new. Why attack me in a negative way ? I would never do the same to you or any other for that matter.

Ahh, I see. Thanks brother for clearing that up. I thought you were teaming up on me with SBLS to ridicule me or something.. lol --

Its all good man, I understand your take on it now.

As far as rates, I have dropped a bit from rates I used to be able to pull 2 years ago which was in the $100 hr / $1,500 day block (and I'd give them 24 hours if they could do it). Now it is more like $60 hr / $900 day block. That would include me engineering. If someone just wanted the studio and was going to bring in their own engineer, I would drop the rate accordingly. That price was always up in the air while I felt out the situation.

Now-A-Days, its about to mainly be me recording in my studio !! LOL - But thats good, cause my next album is due, so I want to start working on it. That and my other artists projects.

Mr. Solid, I am sorry if I offended you somehow in any way. I am just a guy asking some advice on a forum, then you barged in with nothing but some weird, odd, negative posts that had nothing to do with the thread topic, but more to do with expecting pay or compensation for any help (lol). If it was too much for anyone to help me I would hope that they just wouldn't bother posting. I do not expect any help from anyone, but I ask with courtesy, and hopefully some people got the time to advise me. If not, I am not all butt hurt about it.

For years I have seriously helped alot of people (professionals and non-professionals) on forums and even with studio visits ! I am a good source to talk to about studio gear/equipment (Pro Tools, AD/DA Converters, PreAmps, all outboard gear tube and solid state, monitors, computers, room acoustic treatment, Mics, keyboards, etc...). I have vast experience and knowledge in that and get approached daily with questions via in person and on forums, and I answer everyone with as much attention to the people not paying me as to the ones that are. Especially on forums, I am always willing to help.

So I just figured this was a good place to start with my beginner questions on Guitars. And everyone has been more than helpful and my questions have been answered. I am happy, thread is done. But over all this I can't understand your grumpy attitude toward me ? I have done nothing to spark it. If you didn't like my cause of my name, or my thread or the way I type, whatever, why wouldn't you just ignore me and this thread ?

I am just a dude with a dream and a goal trying to learn something new. Why attack me in a negative way ? I would never do the same to you or any other for that matter.[/quote]




as I said before , sorry, you may have helped people in the past which is a very nice thing to do, with only 7 posts here your expertise in asking is most obvious but I may have been a little ahead of myself in not allowing you time to hang out and use your knowledge to help some of the members here in the future. didn't mean to hurt your feelings I meant it in a tongue in cheek way sort of like one professional to another "you certainly ask a lot of questions about guitars for a professional" meaning most studio owners that I know here in Chicago might have a question or 2 about the subject but as you can see from all of the great post by the Bros here on the Forum this place is the Motherlode for info if you really need help everything from building guitars starting with just a piece of wood to refining brand new guitars so they will sound how ever you like. so again, sorry, it was just too easy to think you were taking without thinking about it. Welcome to the Forum Infa Red.

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you can save the world with your guitar one love song at a time it's just better, more fun, easier with a fender solid body electric guitar or electric bass guitar.

Thank you SBLS for this post. I do feel better now. As honestly I really hate to come to a forum and the first thing I do is accidently make a enemy. lol. Especially with a well established member as yourself.

Yea, ha, I kinda get it now. You were bustin my balls a bit. I see. Sorry I did not take it as that at first. I admit I too jumped the gun in thinking you were just attacking me. So - No harm, no foul brother --

Also, I think that is a classic issue with text and writing vs talking. Accidental miscommunication. All good man !

I agree, I did just jump onto this forum and began asking questions. Honestly though, guitar playing and buying is going to be all new to me. As I have been around them and the players for years, I never took a interest to study them, know them, know how they work and most of all learn to play them until like 2 weeks ago. I don't know why, it just hit me. I was like "man, I wanna learn how to play the guitar finally". ha ha - I don't know what overcame me. But my point to this is, I really came here (to Fender Forums) to learn cause for right now thats all I can do. I am not savvy enough yet about "Fender" to be able to be a great help to people on this forum. Hopefully someone will ask something about other various studio gear, and I can help them then. But for now, dude, I'm a learner.

Besides talking to my colleagues and friends about this, honestly the Fender site is the first place I came to to look at guitar prices and models. Then I got so overwhelmed by the options I found the Forum here. My first instinct was to ask some real guitar pros the real deal. I like getting info from a array of hands on long term specialists in the field of question, so here I came.

Anyway, thanks again for your kind post.

Infa Red you are very welcome, most of the Bros here record music so you can feel at home here Bro.

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you can save the world with your guitar one love song at a time it's just better, more fun, easier with a fender solid body electric guitar or electric bass guitar.

Well since you are hip to the world of ebay and CL, you can pick up an American Strat Deluxe and Tele Deluxe for under 3K if you sit and watch for the right deal. And since it is going to be an in house ax you dont have to worry about scoring a closet queen. That is the way I would go.

InfaRed

Theres no shortage of very accomplished guitarists here that would probably be happy to layer you some guitar. Miami Mike in particular has a long and varied carreer and also produces some top quality recordings. A very useful chap to know in your situation.

I'm a recording ludite. I've been in a few studios but dont know how to utilize them.

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im not going to waffle on i suggest going out and buying an American STD or maybe the new American Special as its straight up what you want.
I'm training as a Producer and Sound Tech myself so I have been in a couple of studios that have great gear and awful gear this is the easy affordable way ive suggested.

Good luck

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Hi Infa Red ,regarding the Gibson Les Paul Weight problem,Epiphone makes a lightweight Les Paul of excellent quality and great tone and playability.The guitar is called the Les Paul Ultra and has 2 humbucker pickups like the Gibson but only weighs 5.5 lbs and is much cheaper.The pickup specs are neck pickup 8.5 ohms dc resistance 4.45 H induction@1KHz ,bridge 13.85 Ohms and 7.15 H both have Alnico-V magnets.In my experience Epiphone although much cheaper than Gibson performs pretty close to Gibson standards.

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This has been such a wealth of great info. I appreciate this all.

Thanks to you guys I seem to have narrowed down alot of my choices to doing this. I am either getting a Strat and a Tele if I can find a good enough deal on each of them. Or I decide I can only get one, I will get a Strat.

Now to help me narrow down my results as I search for used ones, (or even new) -- I ask:

Is there any particular year I should stay away from ? Or is there any particular year that is what I should be searching for ?

I found a awesome "looking" Strat for a decent price, but it was a 2004 50th Year Anniversary Deluxe. Is that cool ? Or did it suck ?

I also found a 1975 "Hardtail Strat" and a 1979 Strat. So that is what is stirring up my question.

Are the brand new 2010 ones any good ? Any worse ? What is the real difference in years ? Are they like wine ?