Did Bush and Cheney train him? LOL

I didnt vote for either Bush or obama. I know better.

Ron Paul! Or any Ron Paul-like individual!!

We've spent our way into this mess and it looks like we're gonna keep
partying until there's nothing left. Our national credit rating was just reduced, 'cause the world financial institutions know we ain't for real.
I only hope to God this health care thing gets derailed, some way, some how.

I'd leave, but where to go......?

Didnt mean to get y'all riled up, but some day freedom is gonna be just a bitter-sweet memory. We've got to stop the bleeding. Now.

Haitians aren't a Godless people,even though Haiti is the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere most Haitians are deeply religious.The Governor General of Canada is Haitian born and it would behoove any naysayers to watch her heart wrenching speech to Haitians and the rest of the world in the wake of this horrendous disaster.Some can sit up on their high horses and smugly proclaim others to be Godless heathens but if a person was truly Christian in his beliefs he would hold out his hand or open his wallet and his heart to help his fellow man rather than blame them for "an act of God".

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You are not alone and it may make me a total bastard but I am fine with that, but I was in Peru in 2007 during the magnitude 8.0 earthquake there and no one in the USA cared, it got maybe 2 hours of mention on the news. The situation was much the same, the day after the earthquake I travelled South and saw 90% of the cities were destroyed, Churches that had been there for 300 or more years gone, schools, hospitals, town plazas gone, serious historical sites gone. Dead people everywhere and very few here cared. Don't get me wrong it is sad what happened in Haiti, but given the selective nature of how people are so distraught and upset in the USA about Haiti and the Haitians, I really am not terribly distraught. Most of the same people we are going to see on tv the Haitians from NY and Miami, portions of the African-American community and many others didn't care when it was Latinos and Indians dying in South America but are heartbroken and wanting to step up and raise money and play the holy soul role now that the people effected are ones that can identify with. It disgusts me how selective some people are with their concern for others when it isn't someone they can identify with or who looks like them. And for the record, I donated $20 to the Red Cross for Haiti relief and I am unemployed with about $37 bucks left to my name.

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How true. We sent a small donation to help. All kidding and politics aside, Send a couple of bucks if you can so maybe the government won't need to get involved.

Bro, every body feels badly when tragedy's like this happen. The professionals will handle it, none of us can run over there and help its three thousand miles away, take care of all of the tragedies here. If we are solid its way better for the planet.

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BlackCatBone- Your story about being in Peru during an earthquake is amazing. What was your business there, did you complete it? How did you feed and hydrate yourself during such great lack and need?

Also, what field are you searching for work in? Maybe someone here knows of an opportunity.

I will donate to Haitian relief as well. Matching funds, at least.

One thing I can say Port Au Prince is one of the stinkiest dirty places I have ever seen. And if you are a American contractor there look out there are not many safe places.
Under the Duvaliers the main economy was Foreign aid then when Aristide was put into office then thrown out and the Clinton administration forced Aristide back into office it became an even bigger bottomless pit for the U.S.
The Congressional black Caucus has fought for more aid and support because they think the U.S. congress treats Cubans better then Haitians.

This is a third world country at best and we do not need to import there problems we have enough of our own. Look at the population of the DC jail and see what country many are from.

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CV, when I was in service stationed south eastern there were a couple of very nice little burgs and almost every one wore a side arm, it wasn't an ordinance but allowed and encouraged, none exsistant crime rate. back in the earlier days of this country people were more like minded than different so that behavior worked well. now with people different, the melting pot has its advantages in the melding of all of those ideas, some of those people don't want to carry a side arm. you can't ask that they carry one any more than you can ask some one who does not to. solution, be smart keep your eyes and ears open don't miss your target.

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Reading this and many other posts within this thread- I am going to hold my tongue.

I will say this however- I would love it if any of you guys would spend 12months in my country, and get an 'outside looking in' view of what is going on in some of your nations.
I have spoken to many an exchange student who has spent time here- and they all tell me the same thing, and they never want to go back home.

as for the comment of Bush- well, It reminds me of the Tsunami in indonesia many years ago, as you will remember many thousands of innocent lives perished. Did Bush come to the aid- considering that a U.S Navy Carrier was just a few hundred miles from the impact zone? No. Well, not untill he was reminded by other nations of the aid that was given and the help recieved from 9/11. Then that carrier made a quick turn to give help, and the USD$35million all of the sudden turned into $350million.

Never mind they expected us to go to war unjustified, and never mind Oil prices shot through the roof- and the financial recession... let's not get started.

Even for tragic scenarios, some nations (and Im not just talking about one) will ask WIIFM? before they take action.

Sadly, you are more concerned that these 'ungodly' people will tarnish your neighbourhood, and will cost you tax payers money. That just really is sad and narrow minded.

I do respect you guys, its just a small few that really set it off for me. I do apologise in advance if this thread gets locked (eeek!! )

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We should not turn blind eyes to the plight of the average Haitian man in the street because of the (perceived) failures or corruption of their government. And BTW, 80% of their population is Catholic - whether or not someone thinks that is Godless is up to them.

Having done a number of disaster relief operations in my Navy days, I know that things were bad there before the earthquake. And now, without food, water, electricity, medical care - I hesitate to imagine the pain and suffering.

This type of thing transcends national boundaries or politics. These are our brothers and sisters and turning our backs on them diminishes us.

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Amen to that. I am sure if any of us needed help, if they could, im sure they would do their best.

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Immigration is one thing but the immigration policies here in the U.S. are ridiculous. Look at the polices of other countries they dictate what type of people are allowed to immigrate by Job and financial ability. Many countries don't allow people to move in state if you are a laborer or salesman ect.ect. but if you are a doctor ,Nurse, Teacher, business man with structural plan to invest you get the idea. Many countries will not allow you to even stay for work until you have proven you already have a job and are sponsored by a employer. We in the U.S. and the send us your poor what a joke we have enough of our own. Its time to to say you want to come to the U.S.? OK what do you have to offer? Is it something we need?

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Thomas Jefferson

There is a large Haitian population in the US, and many people in Haiti have relatives in the States. It is a nation close to the US and America has been providing aid to Haiti for many years. Certainly there will a massive outpouring of relief and support from America, as there is no matter where disaster strikes.

Haiti is not Godless as SBLS states, perhaps because of the desperation of life amidst daily hopelessness, many Haitians have little else besides a faith that God will provide and are actually very faithful and spiritual. There is a constant battle in Haiti between superstitions/voodoo and belief in a Christian God.

I traveled to Haiti every 3 months for 4 years in the 80's and can tell you that even on a calm day many of the structures that have collapsed were unsafe. Add to this tragedy the possibility of rain bringing landslides down from the deforested hills and it could get much worse very fast.

This is not an opportunity for political finger pointing and sarcasm, it is an opportunity to help people in need regardless of their nationality, beliefs, or location. Do what is right in your own heart, but leave the 'blame game' nonsense out, there is no time for that.

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