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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:05 am
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This is all getting weird. I bet there's no problem in Mexico or China.

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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:19 am
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I must have miss it here. Just strikes me as strange that all of a sudden huge guitar manufacturers are being targeted.


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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:36 am
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63supro wrote:
I must have miss it here. Just strikes me as strange that all of a sudden huge guitar manufacturers are being targeted.


Everyone is a target, we have to band together and save the planet! :roll:

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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:54 am
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Yeah I understand that and I donate money to many planet saving organizations since the first Earth Day and our automobiles household runs pretty green too. We never owned large cars or SUV's either. We are both old Hippies and our son is a 24 year old hippie.

It's not just the guitar manufacturers that are the problem. It's other countries too. Why do you think manufacturers are moving to Mexico, China, India, Viet Nam, Russia etc. It's not just to save on labor costs. $78,000 is nothing to Fender. And no, not everyone is a target. Many are overlooked due to corruption within the system. :roll: :cry:


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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:59 am
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63supro wrote:
Yeah I understand that and I donate money to many planet saving organizations since the first Earth Day and our automobiles household runs pretty green too. We never owned large cars or SUV's either. We are both old Hippies and our son is a 24 year old hippie.

It's not just the guitar manufacturers that are the problem. It's other countries too. Why do you think manufacturers are moving to Mexico, China, India, Viet Nam, Russia etc. It's not just to save on labor costs. $78,000 is nothing to Fender. And no, not everyone is a target. Many are overlooked due to corruption within the system. :roll: :cry:


I was being sarcastic. Just like our government is being foolish if it thinks China or India, among others, are going to do anything to pollution in their countries because we say so or to "save the planet"...but that is a discussion for another topic, not going to hijack this one.

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BigJay, those are points well taken. I nether a Republican nor Democrat, but The Bush years were run with blinders on. Sad thing is, soon there will be no more American workers for the EPA or OSHA to protect. There needs to be a balance to keep the American worker working in the blue collar sector. Not everyone is a techie or is capable of running a small business. I feel if an American company manufacturers overseas, you get no tax breaks period. :twisted:


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Its not a coincidence that the SEC and FINRA have "suddenly" discovered many ponzy-scheme frauds and other financial crimes that went "unnoticed" during the Bush years.

Im not suggesting one view is more correct than the other. Im not making a political statement except to point out that both conservative and liberal policies are strengthened or limited, depending on who is in power at the time.


And the next administration will discover just as many if not more after the current administration leaves office. Best believe that. I feel dirty defending Bush, but the new boss isn't much different from the old boss so far as his crookedness. Damn, I said I wouldn't hijack this topic so i am going to stop, we can continue this convo in another one.

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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:30 pm
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63supro wrote:
BigJay, those are points well taken. I nether a Republican nor Democrat, but The Bush years were run with blinders on. Sad thing is, soon there will be no more American workers for the EPA or OSHA to protect. There needs to be a balance to keep the American worker working in the blue collar sector. Not everyone is a techie or is capable of running a small business. I feel if an American company manufacturers overseas, you get no tax breaks period. :twisted:


Dont worry, 63supro....help for the average working stiff is on the way...

The reason that US manufacturers are not competitive with foreign made producers is not just the cost of labor. The biggest issue is the foreign exchange (FOREX) relationship between the U.S. dollar and foreign currencies like the Chinese Juan. The manufacturing sector has fallen, as a percentage of GDP, as the U.S.$$ rose in value relative to other currencies. This is the ultimate negative affect of a "strong dollar policy". The positive affect of such a policy is low cost products produced in other countries.....like oil.

The primary reason for a "strong dollar policy" is that oil is bought/sold in international markets in U.S. $$$. The higher the relative value of those $$$, the lower the price of oil to U.S. consumers. Strong $$ = low priced oil to the U.S.

Thus, if you want cheap oil, you need to have a high valued $$$. But if you have a high valued $$$$, U.S. manufactured goods become more expensive in foreign countries. Thus, U.S. exports of manufactured goods falls.

Well, the good news is that with the economic crisis and all the stimulus the pump the economy back up, the U.S. $$$ has plumeted in value relative to other currencies. Consequently U.S. exports of manufactured goods have risen dramatically. This has driven and will continue to support the U.S. manufacturering sector and manufacturing jobs just like the ones you expressed interest in.

So, if you want U.S. manufacturing to strengthen, pray for a weak dollar. But also recognize that it will come with a price.....higher oil prices. Now if we converted everybodies cars to natural gas and stopped denominating oil in U.S. $$$......well......the $$$$ could free fall and all you blue-collar boys would be back in business!!!!

Then expect Fender to shut down its Mexico facilities and start cranking that Corona plant back up to full capacity. Moreover, our friends in almost everywhere but the UK will enjoy much cheaper Stratocasters.


BigJay, Thanks a million for the education. I really appreciate you taking the time.
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:38 pm
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63supro wrote:
Its not a coincidence that the SEC and FINRA have "suddenly" discovered many ponzy-scheme frauds and other financial crimes that went "unnoticed" during the Bush years.

Im not suggesting one view is more correct than the other. Im not making a political statement except to point out that both conservative and liberal policies are strengthened or limited, depending on who is in power at the time.


And the next administration will discover just as many if not more after the current administration leaves office. Best believe that. I feel dirty defending Bush, but the new boss isn't much different from the old boss so far as his crookedness. Damn, I said I wouldn't hijack this topic so i am going to stop, we can continue this convo in another one.


My point was not that one Administration is/was inherently more corrupt than another. Nor am I suggesting any corelation between one Party and corrupt policies. So you may be correct. Personally, I believe our entire Government is corrupted to the point where it can no longer act in the peoples best interest. I lay particular blame on Congress.

But rather, my point is that this Administration choses to enforce polices that might cause stringent enforcement of regulations that are designed to protect people from something...environmental damage, financial frauds, medical misrepresentation. This appears to be different than policies of the prior Administration. The offset you seek with the next Administration may be in reduced government oppression or intrusion into our private lives. I dont know. Do you?


The current administration is not seeking less financial fraud though, lets be real here and while I am all for cutting back on "medical misrepresentation" the answer is health care reform not destruction of the current system. As for the environment, I am not a believer of the whole global warming scheme that has padded Al Gore's pockets and the rest of the world isn't going along with it either, China and India will not bow to Obama's demands. Not to mention the current administrations plans aren't "protecting" us from environmental damage but rather yet another power grab of a large portion of American industry and telling us how to live our lives down to which televisons we can have in our home. And yes, less government is the answer regardless of what party is in office. Let's respectfully agree to disagree, because I'd rather not get into this debate. I just notivced you mentioned the "last" administration while overlooking what has gone on already in the current one, as if you point a finger back like the World orator loves to do so often. Not going to come back in this topic, so reply if you like or not.

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