Ok guys, as you can see, I'm farely new the forums I seek your help. I own a Fender Strat, a Gibson Trad Pro, and a Breedlove Acoustic. As for an amp I have a MG30FX as we all know it's a solid state combo amp. Shortly after purchasing my Strat, I made a decision to upgrade my amp, a buddy of mine suggested a JCM-800 Head and a 1960A cab. So I was on the hunt, and found a cab 1960"B", sooooo not what I wanted but for $360 ask me if I looked at the horse's mouth? Now here is where you come in. Tell me the difference between the two, I was told that the cab I bought "JCM900 1960B" is slightly better than what my buddy suggested "JCM800 1960A", why? cause I was told that it had slightly better speakers in it.
Open the back you say? I could, but I just want facts confirmed if possible.

TIA

GTP

Well better is subjective, particularly in this case. The 1960B cab is flat fronted, designed for the bottom speaker in a stack. The 1960A has the top 2 speakers slightly angled up. Its what is known as a slanted cab.

In your case, using a halfstack I personaly would prefer the 1960A. 4x12 cabs can be quite one direction sounding. Having a slanted cab can help reduce that a bit. It helps angle the sound up instead of just out. The JCM960A is just a badge on the cab to match the head marshall were pushing at the time when it was made. Both use the same material in construction and celestion G75 speakers (single coned).

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Its all about getting the sound to the listener. Like niki said the B cab is a bit one directional. When using the B cab there are a few things you can do to better get sound to ear level in stead of ankle level.. if your on a stage that sits higher than the crowd then you are probably in good shape.. You could use a pedestal to raise the amp up some or slightly tilt it back for a more of a up directional thing… Problem is that once you get it to a directional angle of ear level, those right in front of the Cab get the death ray of ear piercing over treble that comes right off the cone. A.. B cab will keep you out of this death ray but will make your sound a bit darker and more bassy sounding. I use a plex glass baffle in front of my cab so that all the frequencies will blend together and there is no shrill high frequencies for those right in front of the cone. I have an A Cab but my preference is a B Cab because I baffle. If you mike the cab at a show this will help the one directional problem as well..

Speakers are a personal preference as well and as subjective as any piece of gear, that is all a matter of personal likes and trial and error..the JCM 800 is a beast by the way, congrats there I know your gonna have a blast with it.

Here is a video of a Marshall Vintage Modern, same settings, same guitar and different cabs with different speakers. This will show you the difference in sound with speakers change. Again its all about what you like and your preference but this breaks it down pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXp7wq9E ... r_embedded

Cheers
Bill

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That's nonsense. You were told that because a guy wanted to get rid of that B cabinet ... he knew most guys would rather have an A cabinet to use as a half-stack.

Here's the classic Head/A Cabinet set up:

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In any case I think I made out. The cab sounds sick! $360 for a 1960B, and now to see if I could find a good deal on a Marshall Vintage Modern JCM800 head.

Of course it does! Someday you'll get the matching angled cab and have yourself a full stack ...

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I can whole heartedly recommend the JCM800 2203KK head. Its got the ability to be supidly high gain with the inbuilt mid boost engaged. A noise suppressor also comes on with that mid boost too, so you stay in control.
Without the boost/suppresor activated its a regular JCM800 2203, thats cheaper than the regular reissue. I paid £650 for mine new, the vintage reissue goes for around £1100. I hear next to no difference between the two. The only reason I think its so cheap is because slayer fans dont usually spend £1K on a amp head.
Ouch on this price
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/2203KK/addreview/

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Man, I can testify to that!

I once sat about seven feet directly in front of Frank Gambale's Marshall halfstack in a small club. Within moments I was tearing up the paper napkin from my table to stuff into my ears - and when I looked around I saw lots of others with tissue ear defenders too!

Only one person nearer that rig than me - and that was Frank himself. Only way he's surviving it night after night is because his head is above the level of that blast.

Nice playing, but - ouch!

Cheers - C

Ceri wrote:




Ceri I can relate to your pain from the Gambale experience those stacks put the hurtin’ on. In the early 90’s I saw AC / DC in Germany and although it was a fairly big venue I was front row less than 10 feet from and directly in front of a Base cab from one of the stacks.. The air moving off those speakers was so great that it blew my hat off and back 3 or 4 rows.

2 years ago my wife took me to see Black Label Society show for my birthday. It was in a really small club maybe held 200 – 250 people. Zakk had 8 full stacks rocking out. Now this club was big enough to get away with a 20watt amp, but no; they had enough sound for a 250,000 arena. It was so loud that my wife and I had to use sign language the whole way home because we could not even hear each other screaming at each other. I had ringing for almost a week, and I believe permanent damage to my ears to this day……that same summer I saw G3 Joe Satriani, Paul Gilbert, John Petrucci… each of these artists used a small wattage combo amp and miked it into the house PA..it sounded great because the amps were small enough to be driven to their optimum sound/tone without enough volume to remove paint off the walls….even if you mike a stack cab you still only mike one of four speakers which means you just lugged a large 4 speaker cap to mike just one…a combo amp would have been so much easier and sounded much the same as the one speaker in the cab you did mike……Pa systems have become a lot less expensive and most venues all have one for their house system…Makes you wonder why anyone uses stacks anymore…other that they look cool as HE*$...and nothing says ROCK & ROLL like walls of cabs and stacks to the ceiling… Unless you are playing out doors with no PA system…..Do you really need a stack in this day and age???????

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Theres always room for a stack or two. I'm sorry but anything else just looks wimpy in a rock band. Forget halfstacks too, if you want real pain play infront of a fullstack. Theres no escaping the treble to ear pain of that. I use a 2x12 for rehearsall and a stack for live. Both are attenuated, I definately need the low mid response of a 4x12. I dont even plug the top cab in.

BTW for pure tinitus, get 10ft away from lemmy's bass cabs. Thats an experience I'll never forget.

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I just use this.... Mike

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LMAO……Yeah I bet that’s comparable to a jet engine or better….Motorhead were rated the loudest band in the World for many years…maybe still are I’m not sure.

Cheers
Bill

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I always thought Man'o'War were loudest. Dunno I'll have to investigate it. I remember Pantera got loudest recorded track with the single of Mouth for war.

Ok looking at wiki
1976 the Who 126db at charlton athletic's ground.
1984-94 Man'o'War with 129.5db
2007 Gallows acheived 132.5db in studio
2008 Man'o'war 139db at soundcheck not gig. (This wins in my book. DB's are sound pressure. Thats gotta be harder to acheive in a empty room at soundcheck).
2009 Cisco Ottawa Bluesfest acheived 136db measured by a local official. They were asked to turn down.
Other record holders
Deep Purple 117db
Maiden 124db
My Bloody Valentine 132DB
Motorhead the Stones and AcDc at 130db

Some reports say the Swans knock out 140db

Thats a lifetime of ringing in the ears

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A 747 on take-off does 140-160 db. Any rock band near 140 is pushin some air...... Mike

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