It is currently Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:49 pm

All times are UTC - 7 hours



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 207 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 ... 14  Next
Go to page Previous  1 ... 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 ... 14  Next
Author Message
Post subject:
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:57 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:47 pm
Posts: 4294
Location: Somewhere near Seattle
Chill out man, no one said any of that is crap. He's just pointing out that like cobblers, coopers and blacksmiths, everything comes to an end and something else takes over. I love 57 Belairs, but no ones makin them anymore either. Every thing has it's day.

_________________
"is that a real poncho...i mean
Is that a mexican poncho
Or is that a sears poncho?
Hmmm...no foolin ...." FZ


Top
Profile
Fender Play Winter Sale 2020
Post subject:
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:25 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:31 pm
Posts: 2122
Location: Southern California Mountains
Music is not at all like a Blacksmith, and we still need Cobblers.

My point is, as long as the Audience (and players are part of that audience)is listening to it, it's not dead. Mozart was one of the first to Make the Piano a Showcase instrument, We'd be in sad shape if it died out a meager 60 years after it made it's Debut.

Since I'm still moved by Mozart, I can only assume the Blues, Rock and Roll and The Electric Guitar, have at least 300 years before anything Stales-up on us.

That goes for Blue Jeans, too.

_________________
"Persistence Is The Father Of Invention"
-Crazy Old Man In Training
Image


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:15 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:47 pm
Posts: 4294
Location: Somewhere near Seattle
Oh no, not die...just not be the main thing anymore. Of course there's gonna be rock for decades to come.

I still dig the big bands. Their time as the big thing has past, but people will be rockin to the big bands for a long time comin.

_________________
"is that a real poncho...i mean
Is that a mexican poncho
Or is that a sears poncho?
Hmmm...no foolin ...." FZ


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:39 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:36 pm
Posts: 6
I can't understand how anyone can say blues is dead or dying. Just because not every artist plays blues means blues is dead. As long as there are guitar players who hail Clapton, SRV, Muddy Waters, and Hendrix as heroes, blues will never die.


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:24 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:02 pm
Posts: 718
Firstmeasure I agree with you about music. David's Psalms from 10000 years ago are still sung in churches around the world - a little differently, sure, because he didn't write out the tune and didn't even half a 4-track to record like the Beatles. As time goes on, music just expands and grows adding different types and dimensions. We live in a great world with immense variety - classical with Mozart and those guys with the piano and the symphonies, to Blues and it's proper child jazz - even to the big bands with big scores and whatnot - and the riff-based child of blues rock and roll. Hip hop's there if you want it - at it's best a cool type of jazz, and at worst not music. Music is sweet and goes on and nothing ever dies because it's there on the shelf and it's alive once it's invented, ready to be rediscovered.

I define blues as an elemental and mysterious form of music that originates from the poorest of the poor singing their souls through a guitar and filtering that through a half-lost tradition of African music and the filter of genius. Then the Blues are there and they're real. When you play the Blues Scales and chords and you're singing your story and your blues with it's quiet and its storms, you're playing the blues and the instrument is singing your blues. That's why the Stratocaster is beloved, because it doesn't get in your way and it's there to sing your blues with you. Led Zeppellin sings the Page-Plant blues and all the complexity of Jimmy Page's mixed cultural heritage and interests and Robert Plants varied impulses comes through there.

Sure, Zeppellin is riff-based Rock and Roll - looking for a catchy tune, less elemental, somewhere between the Blues and the Beatles, with their own white boy Blues. The Blues is never what's usually played. Usually, people play songs, sometimes even somebody else's Blues songs, while young guitar heroes try to be the fastest and wow their friends. But whenever a guitar player uses the incredibly expressive blues scales and chords and that electric guitar - whether a 335 or a Stratocaster or a Les Paul - to sing his soul that day or that night, the Blues is alive.


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:34 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician

Joined: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:46 am
Posts: 634
Again, the ERA is passed. The AGE of blues is done with. Just like Jazz and Ragtime and the Swing Era. Doesn't prevent anybody from playing the music.

And the Rock n' Roll ERA has passed. It's just that this generation doesn't know it yet. It's like Recession--nobody knows it til way after your in it. This is an incredibly conservative musical climate right now. Rock and Blues is just spinning around in circle endlessly recycling the same crap like a washing machine going nowhere. There's no desire to move forward, it's all introspective and self-referential.

This is a timid, visionless generation musically. Aesthetically spineless. Pile on the Alt Rock, the Eddie Vetter copy singers, the endless Clapton and SRV tributes, the Hendrix worship.

Back in the 60's, we embraced Clapton, J. Beck, Page, Hendrix and shortly after that SRV all in a few hectic years. It was all new, bold, new info coming in. Changed the guitar world.

Today J. Mayer is basically a tribute band to what we experienced 40 years ago. How lame is that???

Where are today's visionary musical leaders? What's new, brave, what changes the game?

Audiences just want the same old regurgitated mush, and if concert attendance is any judge, they don't even want THAT!


Top
Profile
Post subject: Matt Besey
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:29 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:54 pm
Posts: 29
Matt Besey....Michigan born guitar god extraordinare! To see him live is pretty near next to seeing SRV and IMHO, Matt is better. Don't chastise me for saying that. See Matt live first and then say what you want.

www.myspace.com/mattbesey

He has some originals there but to see him live and hear him play those good old tradition blues tunes by artists like Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters, Little Milton, etc. and to hear him put his own spin on those great songs is just the most beautiful thing you'll ever see and hear.

I've turned many a guitarist on to this young man and every one of them has said "DAY-UM! What is he still doing in Michigan?"

CHECK HIM OUT!!


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:39 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:54 pm
Posts: 29
And I'm surprised that no one mentioned the late Terry Kath of Chicago...say what you want about Chicago, but Kath was a monster on the guitar. Even Jimi said Terry was better than he was.


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:57 pm
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:31 pm
Posts: 2122
Location: Southern California Mountains
Thank you strat58cat for explaining it so much better that I can 8) You nailed what I was trying to say in your first Paragraph.

I don't think there is going to be a Musical Revolution so soon after the Musical Revolution of the 50's and 60's because it was not the players that fueled the Revolution. It was the advent of the Usable Electric Guitar and Usable Electric Amplifiers, that fueled the Players of the day. Until there is a new instrument to play the Major Scale on, music will Plane Out for a while.

Fads and Fasions fade inside of decades, Era's last Hundreds of Years. I, for one, am delighted to be at the "begining" of the Blues and Rock Era.

_________________
"Persistence Is The Father Of Invention"
-Crazy Old Man In Training
Image


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:43 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:02 pm
Posts: 718
"I don't think there is going to be a Musical Revolution so soon after the Musical Revolution of the 50's and 60's because it was not the players that fueled the Revolution. It was the advent of the Usable Electric Guitar and Usable Electric Amplifiers, that fueled the Players of the day."

Wow that is so true! Technology from Fender and Gibson fueled that explosion. That first wave using it and exploring it was unbelievable in the creativity and passion. Since then it's bubbled along and now players are in the shadow of the greats before them, but that's to stand on their shoulders. We're just getting started with the possibilities, and the old guard is still out there creating too. I don't care if it's the hottest music because it's my music and it's popular enough to find.


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:03 am
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician

Joined: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:46 am
Posts: 634
The first revolution was in the mid-50's with R&R. They all had electric guitars and small amps.

The second was in the late 60's and Marshall amps played a major role in that: their sound, their volume, their massive tone. Even the Allmans were playing Marshall. Fender had nothing at the time to compete, but tried to play catchup with the Dual Showman, etc. But that was a clean amp, Fender didn't have "the sound" of that revolultionary era echoing across the Filmores and the outdoor concerts coast to coast. Marshall ruled that era.

That was the last pop music revolution. After that, it was disco and punk and alt. rock and fusion and $@!&# music for college girls. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:39 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:27 pm
Posts: 32
This is just something I found on youtube that describes SRV quite well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-PxHXdsM7I


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:54 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:25 pm
Posts: 4
Location: Aus.
Yeah definately, because SRV was right in the time of the massive Great Britain blues rush, blues was so popular, and with his unique voice and guitar tone and style he revolutionalised the sound of the blues and made it his own.

John Mayer has had the opportunity and pleasure of playing with all the best blues guitarists from that time, and it shows at the crossroads festivals. he is a brilliant guitarist who has great influence and a soulful voice, smooth yet sexy, it's what the blues is.

my main concern is that he has changed his style to fit with today's mainstream stereotype, so he has a bunch of teenage girls who think he's hot so they go to his concerts to hear him talk about how he loves someone. whereas i like to listen to how his tone and structure molds the music so well and makes his sound different to say justin timberlake (sorry to compare those two, timberlakes got nothing, arrogant $@!&#)

so yeah, theres my two cents..

and don't get me wrong. john mayer brightens my day whenever i shove on the crossroads disc. shame it was after SRV's time.

_________________
Standin' Next To A Mountain, Chop It Down With The Edge Of My Hand.

-Long Live Hendrix


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:23 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:10 pm
Posts: 26
if no one replayed hendrixs songs his music wouldn't be as alive as it is today

_________________
Hendrix is the best. There is no denying it.....


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:46 am
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:02 pm
Posts: 718
One thing about John Mayer it's worth keeping in mind - a lot of us play all the time, maybe every day like me. Few or none orf us can play as well as John Mayer. it takes a lot of commitment to get that good. Kudos John, and just keep going. You play clean and fast and that's something great. Just keep upping the ante.


Top
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 207 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 ... 14  Next
Go to page Previous  1 ... 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 ... 14  Next

All times are UTC - 7 hours

Fender Play Winter Sale 2020

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: PaulLF and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: