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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:44 pm
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I sometimes wonder if I'm the only person in the world that favors JM's acoustic sensibilities over his Strat technique. :?

A lot of people talk about tone in relation to electrics, but JM has a great acoustic tone IMHO. A lot of what makes his sound unique is in his fingers, and acoustic performances emphasize this. Goes to show what a talented player he is. He really knows how to make those Martin OM's scream.

I wish he'd put at a bit of jazz flavor back to his playing (like "Neon"). Someone should put a 335 in his hands and tell him to do his best Larry Carlton impersonation. :D


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Mellisa Etheridge, Pat Metheny, Donald Fagen, Bradford Marsalis, most of Dream Theater, Al DiMeola, Kevin Eubanks, Bruce Hornsby, Quincy Jones, Steve Vai, to mention just a few......all grads of Berklee College of Music. Oh yeah, John Mayer.

I say don't write this guy off just because you don't think he's as good as Jimi or SRV. I think he's gonna be around for a long time to come. He's got a strong music background and he's only going to get better with age.

No one thought Jimi was going to become a legend back in 1962 either.

No one thought SRV was going to be a legend back in 1979.

How about we just let the guy grow and quit trying to bury him so young. How many of you think you're pretty good and how many of you will ever have his level of success? Move a couple of million units and maybe I'll think your opinions are actually worth something more then bulletin board drivel.

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Mellisa Etheridge, Pat Metheny, Donald Fagen, Bradford Marsalis, most of Dream Theater, Al DiMeola, Kevin Eubanks, Bruce Hornsby, Quincy Jones, Steve Vai, to mention just a few......all grads of Berklee College of Music. Oh yeah, John Mayer.

I say don't write this guy off just because you don't think he's as good as Jimi or SRV. I think he's gonna be around for a long time to come. He's got a strong music background and he's only going to get better with age.

No one thought Jimi was going to become a legend back in 1962 either.

No one thought SRV was going to be a legend back in 1979.

How about we just let the guy grow and quit trying to bury him so young. How many of you think you're pretty good and how many of you will ever have his level of success? Move a couple of million units and maybe I'll think your opinions are actually worth something more then bulletin board drivel.
Success doesn't define a good or great artist. One can be great and never be heard by the masses.


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You're right about success. Great guitar players are a dime a dozen. Each of those great guitar players has taken something from someone previous. We all stand on the shoulders of giants.

I don't remember this conversation going on back in the 70's when Robin Trower released Bridge of Sighs...which was a complete copy of Jimi's work. By the standards being put forth here, Trower should hang his head in shame and slink away.

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I sometimes wonder if I'm the only person in the world that favors JM's acoustic sensibilities over his Strat technique. :?

A lot of people talk about tone in relation to electrics, but JM has a great acoustic tone IMHO. A lot of what makes his sound unique is in his fingers, and acoustic performances emphasize this. Goes to show what a talented player he is. He really knows how to make those Martin OM's scream.

I wish he'd put at a bit of jazz flavor back to his playing (like "Neon"). Someone should put a 335 in his hands and tell him to do his best Larry Carlton impersonation. :D


I agree with this 100% he knows how to put on an amazing show and produce amazing sound weather he is Rocking with the whole band or playing a solo with his acoustic. There is no other main stream artist out there right now that can hold a candle to what he is doing. He is amazing alone and he is amazing with the entire band. It honestly doesnt matter if people on here or anywhere think he is over rated because he has gained praise and respect from his living heroes who have colaborated with him ( BB King, Eric Clapton, Buddy Guy and the list goes on) He may not be a legend but he is a great musician and deserves all the fame he has. He has worked hard and earned every bit of it.


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Sure but the thread is about iconic context and place in history, not popularity or showmanship. Britney Spears is number one on the charts right now. I rest my case.


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I don't understand how so many people can put John Mayer in the same league as Jimi and SRV. Mayer will soon be forgotten, Jimi and SRV will be remembered forever.

Personally I really don't think there are too many guitarists that are in the same league with Jimi and SRV.


Thank you Chet, finally some-one that agrees with me :p

Wooohhoooooo finally reached two-hundred :p
Make that 2 people that agree with you.



Right on I'm starting to like the sound of Virginia :D

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I just made a blog entry about this topic the other day and gave out a pretty long take on Mayer.

I don't know if I'm allowed to plug my blog like this, so if I'm not, mods let me know and I'll take it down:

http://reverbspot.blogspot.com/2007/11/john-mayer-hero-hack-or-somewhere-in.html


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That was a great blog.


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yeah, great blog.

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Take a look over at www.modernguitars.com and in the article about the new Crossroads Guitar Festival DVD it says:

"John Mayer opens the second disc. In an interview, he states: "It’s a lot more relaxing this time because I really feel like I belong. Whether or not I actually do [sounding quite amused], I’ll let the guys on the message boards duke that one out ..." He makes it quite clear that he’s aware of the fact that people on the internet are disputing his current guitar playing abilities, a style that seemed to develop and blossom through what began as an illustrious pop music career; the moral of the story being, you never know who’s lurking in the music forums these days."


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I tell ya...you don't get invited to play with the likes of Clapton, Beck or Trucks if you're a wannabe. The dude has chops.

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Clapton had to pay Trucks a salary to play with him on tour. The deal with old artists like Clapton and J. Beck is your agent insists you appear with young hot artists to keep you valid and keep you exposed to the under-30 crowd. Just good marketing. That's why Jeff Beck was out there with Chistina Aguilera at the Grammies. These are deals struck by agents that invariably **** off the old guys.

When I saw Clapton playing with Mayer on the Today Show he was visibly bored and completely phoned it in. Mayer blew him away, but EC wasn't even trying.

Show biz on-stage guitar slinger marriages are 97% agent deals, 3% inspiration.


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There's a fine line between drawing on inspiration and stealing style/mojo. I, for one, am always amazed at people who can't tell the difference.

SRV paid the ultimate respect to Hendrix with his own treatment of Hendrix' songs and style. He paid tribute. He honored the Voodoo Chile's legacy. He advanced that influence too, never once failing to acknowledge his respect/admiration.

Does Mayer do the same clearly enough while obviously drawing on Hendrix' and SRV's influences? I think so... look at which songs charted for him. He could've rode that wave all the way to adnauseum but he fights his label to get the rock/bluesy stuff in, too. I'm not sure how much he's going to actually advance the styles that influence his rock/blues playing, but he's not trying to pass if off as his own. The kid respects his elders. Give him a break!


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Mayer has a proper sense of humor for the purists and copycat accusers. I don't think anyone would accuse him of taking himself too seriously, he has a great attitude, and is obviously a very dedicated player.

That said, he doesn't break any ground the way his progenitors have. He doesn't care, that's not what he's all about. And we don't care either, until somebody comes along and puts him on the same pedestal as the guys who invented all this stuff. That's where I draw the line. There are the true originals, and everybody else.


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